[Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption

Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Thu Sep 5 22:44:03 PDT 2013 

If I remember right, that was the whole Clipper chip fiasco.  They got 
denied on that one, they wanted a backdoor into all encryption.

I'm sure that if I ever got on their radar, they could crack whatever 
precautions I use, but why make it easy for them? Besides, there are 
others out there to protect yourself against as well.  People trolling 
wifi connections for clear text passwords, unscrupulous members of ISPs 
or any owners of any of the hardware between me and my destination.  
It's best to be cautious, I think.  Various plugins for browsers are 
making it easier to surf the web with some kind of protection without 
causing too many issues.  It's not as hard as it once was.  I just wish 
email was encrypted by default.  That would help a lot.

Paul

On 09/05/2013 09:17 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
> I recall several years ago Paul Harvey had a story about a free ware 
> program called PGP which stood for Pretty Good Protection that 
> government didn't like because they couldn't easily crack it and it 
> violated some national security law (ironic isn't it?).  I think it 
> would be difficult for anyone or any group to stymie the NSA on this 
> front.  They just have too many resources and employ too many sharp 
> cookies that thrive on decrypting the most difficult and world class 
> encryption schemes.  The best bet might be to just try and fall back 
> on whatever Constitutional protections are available such as the 4th 
> Amendment.  That might help from being criminally convicted of wrong 
> doing, but wouldn't necessarily protect against private information 
> becoming public.
>
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> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 18:58:52 -0700
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> To: rforce2003 at yahoo.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption
>
>
> You've hit the nail on the head.  Nobody cares.  That's exactly the 
> problem.  Well done, sir.
>
> Paul
>
> On 09/05/2013 05:08 PM, Ron Force wrote:
>
>     This one?
>
>
>     NOBODY CARES
>     Ron Force
>     Moscow Idaho USA
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>         Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 14:53:33 -0700
>         From: godshatter at yahoo.com <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>
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>         I wonder if Mr. Hansen still thinks I'm being paranoid about
>         my online privacy.
>
>         Paul
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>         The National Security Agency is winning its long-running
>         secret war on encryption, using supercomputers, technical
>         trickery, court orders and behind-the-scenes persuasion to
>         undermine the major tools protecting the privacy of everyday
>         communications in the Internet age, according to newly
>         disclosed documents.
>         The agency has circumvented or cracked much of the encryption,
>         or digital scrambling, that guards global commerce and banking
>         systems, protects sensitive data like trade secrets and
>         medical records, and automatically secures the e-mails, Web
>         searches, Internet chats and phone calls of Americans and
>         others around the world, the documents show.
>         Many users assume — or have been assured by Internet companies
>         — that their data is safe from prying eyes, including those of
>         the government, and the N.S.A. wants to keep it that way. The
>         agency treats its recent successes in deciphering protected
>         information as among its most closely guarded secrets,
>         restricted to those cleared for a highly classified program
>         code-named Bullrun, according to the documents, provided by
>         Edward J. Snowden, the former N.S.A. contractor.
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