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If I remember right, that was the whole Clipper chip fiasco. They
got denied on that one, they wanted a backdoor into all
encryption.<br>
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I'm sure that if I ever got on their radar, they could crack
whatever precautions I use, but why make it easy for them?
Besides, there are others out there to protect yourself against as
well. People trolling wifi connections for clear text passwords,
unscrupulous members of ISPs or any owners of any of the hardware
between me and my destination. It's best to be cautious, I
think. Various plugins for browsers are making it easier to surf
the web with some kind of protection without causing too many
issues. It's not as hard as it once was. I just wish email was
encrypted by default. That would help a lot.<br>
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Paul<br>
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On 09/05/2013 09:17 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I recall several years ago Paul Harvey had a story
about a free ware program called PGP which stood for Pretty Good
Protection that government didn't like because they couldn't
easily crack it and it violated some national security law
(ironic isn't it?). I think it would be difficult for anyone or
any group to stymie the NSA on this front. They just have too
many resources and employ too many sharp cookies that thrive on
decrypting the most difficult and world class encryption
schemes. The best bet might be to just try and fall back on
whatever Constitutional protections are available such as the
4th Amendment. That might help from being criminally convicted
of wrong doing, but wouldn't necessarily protect against private
information becoming public.<br>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 18:58:52 -0700<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rforce2003@yahoo.com">rforce2003@yahoo.com</a><br>
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You've hit the nail on the head. Nobody cares. That's
exactly the problem. Well done, sir.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 09/05/2013 05:08 PM, Ron Force wrote:<br>
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<div><span>This one?</span></div>
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Paul Rumelhart <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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viz <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, September 5, 2013 4:01 PM<br>
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Hansen still thinks I'm being paranoid
about my online privacy.<br>
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Paul<br>
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that guards global
commerce and banking
systems, protects
sensitive data like
trade secrets and
medical records, and
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eyes, including
those of the
government, and the
N.S.A. wants to keep
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agency treats its
recent successes in
deciphering
protected
information as among
its most closely
guarded secrets,
restricted to those
cleared for a highly
classified program
code-named Bullrun,
according to the
documents, provided
by Edward J.
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