[Vision2020] So, you think our borders need tightening, huh?
Rosemary Huskey
donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
Sun Sep 1 18:06:08 PDT 2013
Hi Scot,
The link below discusses recent (within the last hundred years) immigration
quotas from Europe to the U.S. Many folks are unaware of the U.S.
unwillingness to allow other than minimum immigration of Jewish people
trying to escape central Europe and the growing threat of the 3rd Reich.
http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/stlouis/teach/supread.htm
THE UNITED STATES AND THE REFUGEE CRISIS
Between 1933 and 1939, more than 300,000 Germans, perhaps 90 percent of them
Jews, had applied for immigration visas to the United States, and by 1940
about 90,000 German Jews had found sanctuary in America. Despite the sincere
intent of some American activists to assist refugees fleeing Nazism, strict
immigration quotas, public opposition to immigration during a time of
economic depression, and antisemitism in the general public and among some
key government officials were serious obstacles to any relaxation of U.S.
immigration quotas.
Immigration Quotas
A strict quota system limited the immigration of German and Austrian
nationals to the United States. The quota set specific limits on the number
of people who could emigrate in any given year from any foreign country, and
eligibility was based on one's country of birth.
The quotas, which were set by the immigration laws of 1921
<http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/legishist/468.htm>
and 1924
<http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/legishist/470.htm>
, were discriminatory and were aimed at reducing emigration from
"undesirable" areas of Europe, especially eastern Europe and the Balkans.
American policy makers wanted to prevent thousands of penniless Jews from
southern and eastern Europe from entering the United States. While
antisemitism was certainly a factor in formulating this aim, fear of
communism and a general fear of poor people in a time of depression were
equally influential.
The Immigration Act of 1924, which reduced the annual quota from 358,000 to
164,000, intensified an already severe anti-immigration law that was passed
in 1921. In addition, the act reduced the immigration limit from 3 percent
to 2 percent of each foreign-born group living in the United States in 1890
<javascript:void(0)> . Using 1890 figures, rather than those from 1910 or
1920, the new wave of foreign-born from southern and eastern Europe were
excluded from quotas truly proportionate to their true numbers in the
population. Finally, the act provided for a future reduction of the total
quota to 154,000, with visa allocation based on each nationality's
proportional representation in the 1920 U.S. population. In 1929, the new
quota went into effect. Of the 154,000 people allowed into the United States
each year, almost 84,000 were British and Irish, people who did not need to
flee from the Nazis. While the new law cut the quota for northern and
western European countries by 29 percent, it slashed the numbers for
southern and eastern Europe by 87 percent. Italy's quota, for example, was
reduced from 42,057 to 3,845 persons.
The annual German quota to the United States was 25,957, but little of that
was being used. The main obstacle was a 1930 U.S. State Department
Regulation instructing consular officials abroad to adopt a new
interpretation of regulations barring prospective immigrants that were
likely to become public charges. Instead of judging an individual's capacity
to do useful work in the United States, the regulation was interpreted in
such a way as to limit immigration because of the existing labor conditions
in the United States. Anyone who needed to work to support himself or
herself (i.e., anyone who was not independently wealthy) was considered
likely to become a public charge and was rejected. "
There is a great deal more information that is well worth reading and taking
the time to reflect following the selection above. I find it abhorrent to
deny anyone the right to enter this country when they are coming to escape a
no hope situation in their home country. Which of us would turn away a
family who asks only to work, feed and educate their children.
Rose Huskey
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Dredge
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 4:36 PMof
To: Joe Campbell
Cc: viz; Jeanne McHale; Fritz Knorr
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] So, you think our borders need tightening, huh?
Is the 'loosen the standards to what they were when my grandparents came
over' an apples to apples comparison for undocumented workers picking apples
and being paid by the barrel? For the case of undocumented workers from
Mexico, you might have several bad apples spoiling the whole barrel. At
least that's what I hear regarding drug runners and violent criminals who
are clearly in the minority.
mmi
If you're grandparents came over from Mexico into open arms, then I'd agree
that times have changed dramatically. If they came over from another
continent, then I'm not even sure what's really changed since then and now.
I'm not aware of any huge controversy of immigrants from, say Europe, being
blocked and turned away from legally entering the United States and
subsequently naturalizing if they so choose. Most of the controversy seems
to be closing the flood gates from Mexico and also figuring out how to deal
with the millions of those from Mexico who are here illegally.
I don't think it's an easy problem to solve. I'd prefer that we have a
better partnership with Mexico to tap into their labor and resources in a
mutually beneficial way that enriches the lives of those in both countries.
But since their system of government and infrastructure is so screwed up, I
don't see that happening anytime soon. Thus, the Unites States needs to
ensure that the imbalance between the two countries that results in millions
of Mexicans wanting to cross the border legally or illegally doesn't have
significant negative impact to the nation's economy and security.
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fritzknorr at gmail.com
From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] So, you think our borders need tightening, huh?
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:53:23 -0700
To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
This is all reasonable. We should loosen the standards to what they were
when my grandparents came over, when we were welcoming the chance to give
folks an opportunity. That is my view.
If I had a party, I'd try to invite everyone. Obviously in my case there are
space limitations, so I can't do that. But that's not the case with the USA.
I see Democracy as one big, social party. You want to invite as many as
possible. We don't have a problem killing people to get them on board. We
shouldn't have a problem inviting them in.
Maybe I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.
Joe
On Aug 31, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
I think I fully grasp the behavior in this case. They're in a shit hole of
a country that borders the richest country on the planet. Thus they're
trying to cross by any means necessary. If they're crossing illegally, I
don't necessarily find that to be immoral and I'd likely do the same thing
if I was in their same situation and could convince my conscience that
breaking United States immigration laws was ethically justifiable. I find
the idea of jet skis to be quite the opposite of stupid. It's quite
resourceful. It's also relatively expensive and the chances of success are
likely low. I certainly don't begrudge anyone for fleeing their screwed up
homeland and going to the land of milk and honey and I can also understand
that same land of opportunity securing its borders to better enforce its
immigration policy. In terms of 'considering' legal entry, the trend is
heading more towards 'forcing' legal entry.
'So, you think out borders need tightening, huh?'
Answer: Yes
Justification: To prevent widespread illegal entry
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CC: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; jeannemchale at hotmail.com;
fritzknorr at gmail.com
From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] So, you think our borders need tightening, huh?
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:18:57 -0700
To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
Here's what I think. When you get a group of people who are united by race,
origin, gender, or sexual preference and they behave in a similar fashion,
and they end up doing something that you regard as immoral or just plain
stupid, then likely there is a reasonable explanation for their behavior
that you have not fully grasped. To think otherwise is to invite prejudice.
Not that you're prejudiced but it would be hard to prevent an argument for
that conclusion given your comments.
On Aug 31, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Looks like the borders have been tightened quite nicely if the would be
illegals are now resorting to trying end arounds via jet skis. At some
point maybe they'll consider entering the country through legal channels.
What a concept!!!
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From: thansen at moscow.com
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 07:52:33 -0700
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
CC: jeannemchale at hotmail.com; fritzknorr at gmail.com
Subject: [Vision2020] So, you think our borders need tightening, huh?
Courtesy of San Diego News Video at:
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TWO PULLED FROM OCEAN AFTER BORDER ENTRY ON JET SKI
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Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
http://www.MoscowCares.com
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"There's room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
- John Lennon
Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
http://www.MoscowCares.com
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"There's room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
- John Lennon
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