[Vision2020] Barricades and apologies

Wed Oct 2 20:46:39 PDT 2013

Not necessarily.  It just depends on the  reader’s frame of reference.  If you sent me a statement ending in “is,”or ending with a preposition,  I would look at the content and make a judgment based on the content of the message and what I know about you.  Possibly grammatical syntax would come into play, but it wouldn’t be my first consideration.  ee cummings never used capital letters, Cormac McCarthy doesn’t use quotation marks; yet I appreciate their writings far more than anything you and I have written correctly as we go back and forth to each other. 

sue h 

From: Donovan Arnold 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:20 PM
To: Chasuk ; Tom Hansen 
Cc: Vision2020 
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Barricades and apologies

Yes, there is a problem. It makes the author sound ignorant and lazy in their writings. There isn't anything illegal with running your fingernails on a chalkboard, or chewing tin foil. However, you will turn the reader and the public off from your suggestions and ideas. 

Donovan J. Arnold

From: Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>
To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> 
Cc: Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Barricades and apologies

There isn't anything wrong with ending a sentence with a prepostion. This is a fallacy (apparently) promulgated by Alexander Pope.
On Oct 1, 2013 1:33 PM, "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

  It was once deemed a sin black as soot
  To place at a sentence's foot
  A mere preposition.
  "Absurd superstition,
  Up with which," Churchill roared, "I'll not put."

  Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .

  "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
  http://www.moscowcares.com/

  Tom Hansen
  Moscow, Idaho

  "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
  But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
  If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

  - John Lennon

  On Sep 30, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com> wrote:

    It is. 

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Sep 30, 2013, at 8:31 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:

      It is what it is.  Correct?

      -Scott

      On Sep 30, 2013, at 5:38 PM, "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com> wrote:

        Not I, Donovan.  Ending a sentence with a preposition is a hanging offense unless I do it, but this, well what is, is......

        Sue h

        From: Donovan Arnold 
        Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 6:06 AM
        To: Sunil Ramalingam 
        Cc: vision 2020 
        Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Barricades and apologies

        " I'd say that whoever the mayor is."--Sunil Ramalingam

        I wholeheartedly disagree. It is improper to use the word "is" at the end of sentence. This forum has really degenerated. Next thing you know, people will be ending sentences with a preposition, and some disgruntled laid off Idaho English teacher is going to go on a rampage breaking people's fingers.  

        Donovan J. Arnold
        From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
        To: 
        Cc: vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
        Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 12:10 PM
        Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Barricades and apologies

        Scott,

        I'll speak only for myself. If Wayne first contacted the street/road department, or whichever department is directly responsible, and they failed to respond or act, and he then emailed Nancy, then I sympathize with him. Based on his email, I don't think he contacted the correct department, but instead contacted Nancy instead. If that is correct, then I don't sympathize with him. I think you should first take action that is most likely to lead to the result you are seeking.

        That's the only thing influencing my views, not the exaggerated heap of stuff below.

        I do think it's ludicrous to blame the mayor for this if you've failed to contact the correct department, as you and Wayne did. I'd say that whoever the mayor is. 

        Sunil

        From: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
        To: janesta at gmail.com; idahovandal1 at live.com
        Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:55:15 -0600
        CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
        Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Barricades and apologies

        <Street barricades? Someone is pissed off about street barricades?>

        Well of course very few on the viz would have any sympathy for street barricades being dumped / stored on Wayne's private property.  After all, he's a hated white over privileged semi-conservative male and thus not part of the viz borg group think majority.  Now had he been an American Indian complaining about this, most on the viz would have expressed blowharded outrage similar to how they express outrage to the temporary use of transporting Megaloads over Highway 12 running through tribal land.

        <Someone has WAY too much time of their hands>

        Why so?  Do you think it took Wayne an overly large amount of time to lodge a complaint and post an email to the viz?  If so, I think you'd might also agree that someone else who posts magnitudes more CRAP to the viz has WAY WAY WAY too much time on their hands.  :)

        -Scott

        Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 11:33:35 -0700
        From: janesta at gmail.com
        To: idahovandal1 at live.com
        CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
        Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Barricades and apologies

        Once Upon A Time... 

        During the Great Land Rush of the late 60's & 70's  Moscow was known throughout the Pacific Northwest, as "The City With A Smile"

        What happened?

        Street barricades? Someone is pissed off about street barricades? Someone has WAY too much time of their hands.. I hear volunteers are needed at the food bank..

        Happy Fall and Love to All,

        Janesta

        On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Carl Westberg <idahovandal1 at live.com> wrote:

          Scott's earlier post below.  Scott, I think you have, by issuing an an apology for something you did not do, you  have thereby earned a complaint or insult credit.  A pre-apology as it were.  If someone has the audacity (as has been the case for years preceding the Homecoming parade) to temporarily place street barricades on your lawn readying for the once a year event, you have an unused credit available to fire away at any and all city officials.  I, myself, have found barricades on or near my lawn while preparations are made to block my street during the once a year Ice Cream Social at the 1912 Center, and I've decided to be mad as hell and not take it anymore.  Well, unless I decide it's perfectly alright.  Which will probably be the case.

Ummm...I didn't have complaint.  Do you mean Wayne's complaint?

OK - well since you're since you're convinced in your own mind that your opinion is always the correct even when you're unable to justify it based on either fact or logic, I guess you've painted me into a corner once again.  It's getting damn frustrating that you continue playing me like an air guitar and IMO you ought to be flagged for a foul on the viz for 'excessive celebration'.

I'll do what Tom never does.  Here it goes without further ado:

My apologies to Mayor Chaney and the Streets Department.

Sincerely,

--Scott Dredge

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