[Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 83, Issue 98
Keely Emerine-Mix
siyocreo at live.com
Tue May 14 13:23:02 PDT 2013
Rose is absolutely correct here. Paul, you may enjoy your continued defense of the abuse and anger you believe Doug Wilson and his ministerial empire suffer at the hands of Moscow's Intoleristas, and you have the right to continue pursuing what those who know more about Wilson and his egregious behavior, theology, and message know to be a hapless endeavor. After all, as you point out, you can defend whomever you wish to defend, and you can condemn whomever you wish to condemn. Not one of us on this lists fails to see that basic point.
An equally basic point, however, is that there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- about my embrace of tolerance that requires me to tolerate those who act in ways that are harmful to my community and, more important to me, the Gospel I hold dear. "Tolerance" ceases to be a virtue if it's employed to defend or ignore evil. Evil -- and surely you must understand this -- is, by its very nature, intolerant. It's fed by bigotry, avarice, violence, oppression, and the comfort that silence in its face offers. I am unwilling, as are Rose and the rest of Wilson's Intoleristas, to contribute to his comfort by remaining silent while he behaves in decidedly un-Pastoral ways. I am also unwilling to chalk our differences up to "tolerable" differences in opinion. You're an intelligent man, and so I'm aware that you see the difference between sports team preference, say, and a bigoted, vile, masculinist business empresario who uses the Word of God to support teachings and behaviors that are unsupportable by that or any other decent standard. You appear, however, unable or unwilling to examine his behavior and beliefs to see not only just how indefensible they are or how they've caused damage to people in his congregation and throughout the Evangelical world. And while you certainly get to continue, please understand that your valiant cries of "Tolerance, please!" in the face of your evident ignorance of Wilson's machinations and manipulations will continue to sound silly to those of us who know him.
Unless, of course, nothing going on in this world bothers you enough to object. If that's the case, you have my sympathy.
See, here's the deal, Paul: Wilson's not "misunderstood." He's not being "maligned." He's certainly not being abused or belittled by a bunch of foaming-at-the-mouth liberals and sodomites and feminists incapable of loving Jesus Christ, as he'd have you believe. No, it's not like that at all.
It's a whole lot like observing a line of good and decent people being marched through a shit-covered minefield, and giving a enough of a damn to sound the warning to them and to others who might want to stroll through it, thinking that doing so is the essence of religious faith. If you call "intolerant" the determination that shit-covered minefields are intolerable and that those who lead others through them are even more intolerable, you may be assured that while we'll all let you go on, common sense and common decency will reveal you to be something far less noble than a defender of the persecuted and misunderstood.
Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
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> From: "Rosemary Huskey" <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>
> To: "'Tom Hansen'" <thansen at moscow.com>, "'Paul Rumelhart'"
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's up!
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> I am delighted, indeed eager, to be identified as intolerant of the vile and dangerous words flowing from the mouth and pen of Moscow?s infamous (and these days third or fourth tier), minister, Doug Wilson. Weak men love patriarchy ? it provides them the justification to bully women and children. It fills all the cracks and crevices that others recognize as gaping holes in their moral character and intellectual capacity. It justifies and celebrates the antebellum south. Patriarchy gives mediocre, immature men what is so profoundly missing in their lives - a sense of self worth automatically granted not on achievement or character but solely on gender. It is unimaginable to me, that you, Paul, in your apparently fanatical desire to be a recognized as a contrarian continue to defend the indefensible. Do you ever find yourself even slightly embarrassed when you read crap like the material quoted below? Do you want to be known as a person who defends that philosophy,!
> Paul? And, please don?t split hairs by claiming that Doug has the right to free speech ? we all get that. What I don?t get is why you think his disgusting drivel should go unchallenged.
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> ?When we quarrel with the way the world is, we find that the world has ways of getting back at us. In other words, however we try, the sexual act cannot be made into an egalitarian pleasuring party. A man penetrates, conquers, colonizes, plants. A woman receives, surrenders, accepts. This is of course offensive to all egalitarians, and so our culture has reveled against the concept of authority and submission in marriage. This means that we have sought to suppress the concepts of authority and submission as they relate to the marriage bed. But we cannot make gravity disappear just because we dislike it, and in the same way we find that our banished authority and submission comes back to us in pathological forms. This is what lies behind sexual bondage and submission games, along with very common rape fantasies. Men dream of being rapists, and women find themselves wistfully reading novels in which someone ravishes the ?soon to be made willing? heroine. Thos who deny!
> they have any need for water at wall will soon find themselves lusting water polluted water, but water nonetheless. True authority and true submission are therefore an erotic necessity.
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> Douglas Wilson, Fidelity, What It Means to Be a One-Woman Man, Moscow, Idaho Canon Press, 1999
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hansen
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 9:53 AM
> To: Paul Rumelhart
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's up!
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> You must be referring to Doug "Why is everybody always pickin' on me" Wilson.
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> The same Doug Wilson who filed a police complaint against yours truly . . . then suggested that the MPD merely file the complaint for future reference and not investigate it.
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> Then there was that time that my wife's medical history was posted online at Right-Mind.
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> Faxes, originating here in Moscow from a former member of Christ Church, sent to a wide range of UI offices a number of years back, making false allegations against the UI.
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> And so on . . . and so on . . . and so on . . .
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> Ain't karma GREAT!
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> Seeya at the Wingding, Moscow, because . . .
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> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
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> Tom Hansen
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> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
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> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
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> On May 14, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I mean, I could understand being proud of the "Intolerista" label if they were, in fact, tolerant of Christ Church but the members of Christ Church thought they weren't. As it stands, the "Intoleristas" appear to be proud of their actual intolerance. That's what makes this funny. The Christ Church members are more tolerant of the Intolerista's intolerance than the Intoleristas are tolerant of them.
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> To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
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> It's amusing that the folks you gather to revile are tolerant enough to help hold up your adverisement.
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> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
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> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
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> *IDAHO FACULTY SALARIES CONTINUE TO LAG*
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> By Nick Gier
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> The faculty union has UI salary figures that go back to 1982, so it is
> significant to note the growing inequity between faculty and
> administration, and among administrators themselves. In 1982 UI professors
> were only 17 percent behind the national average for Ph.D.-granting
> institutions, but that has now grown to 26 percent. Assistant and associate
> professors now lag 17 and 16 percent respectively. Among Mountain West
> schools the UI stands at -18/-12/-14 in the three professorial ranks.
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> In 1982 UI President Richard Gibb was only 15 percent ahead of his fellow
> administrators, but President Duane Nellis? salary has jumped 45 percent
> ahead of his. Over 31 years UI administrative salaries have risen 293
> percent versus 213 percent for full professors. The CPI is 231.
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> President Nellis is now only 15 percent behind his public institution
> peers, while his full professors lag 26 percent. Adjusted for inflation,
> the nation?s higher education executive salaries rose 35 percent from
> 1995-2006, while faculty pay went up only five percent.
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> When UI President Duane Nellis demanded $40,000 more than his predecessor,
> the State Board of Education decided to equalize executive pay at the three
> universities at $342,000. At Idaho?s three 2-year colleges, which have
> independent boards, presidential pay ranges from $160,000 at North Idaho
> College, $175,000 at College of Western Idaho, and $204,294 at College of
> Southern Idaho.
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> For this past year Idaho?s K-12 union teachers averaged $49,734 per year,
> while CWI and CSI faculty made only $43,545 and $48,927 respectively. For
> 2-year colleges with professorial rank, CSI is 26 percent behind its
> national peers, while its assistants and associates lag 17 and 19 percent
> respectively.
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> At an average of $53,481 North Idaho College faculty are 15 percent behind
> national 2-year schools without professorial rank. Primarily because of
> their salary step system, their instructors still earn $9,936 more than
> their CWI colleagues and $4,254 more than professors at CSI.
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> A salary step system is at the center of all collective bargaining
> agreements. Better salaries and grievance procedures come with union
> contracts, and my organization has tried to introduce a higher education
> collective bargaining bill in the Idaho Legislature, not to no avail.
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> Incredibly enough, the Lewis Clark State College faculty average for all
> ranks was only $49,400, just behind their K-12 colleagues, and their full
> professors were 1.3 percent behind their peers at College of Southern
> Idaho. LCSC full professors make $56,900 per year, but their national peers
> in public baccalaureate institutions make $86,400?34 percent ahead. LCSC
> assistant and associate professors are 23 and 31 percent behind
> respectively.
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> Even though BSU does grant some doctoral degrees, it still does not
> qualify, according to the American Association of University Professors
> (AAUP), as a Category I Ph.D.-granting university. In our previous surveys
> we have erred in including BSU with UI and ISU as Category I.
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> Nationally, at the Category IIA level, BSU full professors are 9 percent
> behind, while assistants and associates both lag 7 percent. Among Mountain
> West peer schools BSU is actually a bit ahead in each rank: +1.5, +2.4, and
> +3.2 percent respectively.
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> For two years running, the ISU administration has declined to send salary
> data to the AAUP. After President Arthur Vailas disbanded a duly elected
> faculty senate, the AAUP voted to place ISU on its sanction list in June,
> 2011. It now has the dubious distinction of being one of four institutions
> in the U.S. that are on this black list.
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> In Montana, where all the campuses are unionized, state appropriations for
> higher education there have declined only 5.9 percent since 2008, but Idaho
> has experienced a drop of 20 percent.
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> We all need to lobby our legislators to restore the $46.8 million that our
> colleges and universities have lost since the beginning of the Great
> Recession.
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> Nick Gier is President of the Higher Education Council of the Idaho
> Federation of Teachers. Salary tables can be viewed at
> www.idaho-aft.org/survey13.pdf. Salaries by UI department are at
> www.idaho-aft.org/UI FY13.pdf.**
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