[Vision2020] U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program

Fri Jun 7 08:49:59 PDT 2013

Paul,

And now it's coming out that there is a "legal" basis for the data mining in as much as the secret intelligence court has granted NSA/FBI court permission to do it.
The problem with it is that the filings with the court are secret and the decision is secret. It boils down to just how much faith and trust does the individual have
in the government?

So, we have the "government" coming out against the 2nd Amendment, and saying: "trust us, WE know what's best". And we are collecting  data (phone and internet records), secretly, with a secret courts secret permission, again,  "Trust us, WE know what's best"............These are just two (2) examples.  Where does it end?

Yes, some of the career members of Congress will come out and say: "Well it prevented an attempted terrorist incident" that we know about,  but that the incident was a secret and we can't tell you about it.  "Trust us, WE know what's best".

A government that cannot be trusted to do small things well can hardy be trusted to do large things well, especially to when those large things are conducted in almost total secrecy.

And don't think all of this will go away. ALL of this will come back up in the next round of elections, and the people will tell Congress, go find new jobs, "Trust us, WE (the People) know best!"

Wayne

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> The NSA request for data is for all metadata information on all calls in their database that involved a person in the US somewhere along the line.  That violates the probable cause portion of the 4th amendment, as well as the constraint that they have to describe the exact items they are looking for.  This would also apply to indiscriminately gathering data from content companies as their PRISM program is alleged to do.
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> Paul
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> From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> To: KRFP <krfp at radiofreemoscow.org>; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
> Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 12:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program
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> I don't think the ACLU will have much luck shutting down the widespread snooping based on the the 1st, 4th, or 5th amendments.
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> 1st & 5th is non-starter.  Is the specter of government data mining infringing on your right to free speech because you're intimidated that they might use it against you in a court of law and thus you feel you're forced to instead remain silent?  Good luck with that.
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> The 4th isn't very strong here either.  Illegal search is a stretch in my opinion, but it might be worth filing a law suit in hopes you can find a sympathetic judge as it the case works it way up to the supremes.
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> It'll all be worked out over time and maybe down the road specific data mining will only be allowed via a warrant.
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> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 21:48:04 -0700
> From: krfp at radiofreemoscow.org
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program
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> Yeah, and the First and the Fifth.  Here again I have the rare occurrence of agreeing with Paul.
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> At this point (actually since 911) I am WAY more afraid of my own government then any so called "terrorist".  And I don't mind if they know that, obviously, since I posted this. 
> 
> Dave
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>  
> On 6/6/2013 9:16 PM, Paul Rumelhart wrote:
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> I'm talking about the 4th Amendment, mainly.
> 
> Paul
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> On 06/06/2013 06:13 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
> <I'd rather have my rights.>
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> Could you be any less specific?  If anyone's constitutional rights are being trampled from this data mining then we already have a system in place to roll back the worst abuses.
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> > Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:16:17 -0700
> > From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> > To: Vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: [Vision2020] U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program
> > 
> > Here is the URL for a story from the Washington Post about yet another 
> > data mining warrantless wiretapping abuse.
> > 
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-
> > program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html
> > 
> > I fear that this is just the beginning of the "revelations" to come. 
> > It's been going on for years. I'm hoping that The People will get so 
> > mad about this that we can begin the process of rolling back some of the 
> > worst abuses that have taken place in order to "keep us safe". Screw 
> > safety. I'd rather have my rights.
> > 
> > Paul
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