[Vision2020] U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program

[Paul Rumelhart]

The NSA request for data is for all metadata information on all calls in their database that involved a person in the US somewhere along the line.  That violates the probable cause portion of the 4th amendment, as well as the constraint that they have to describe the exact items they are looking for.  This would also apply to indiscriminately gathering data from content companies as their PRISM program is alleged to do.

Paul




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 From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
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I don't think the ACLU will have much luck shutting down the widespread snooping based on the the 1st, 4th, or 5th amendments.

1st & 5th is non-starter.  Is the specter of government data mining infringing on your right to free speech because you're intimidated that they might use it against you in a court of law and thus you feel you're forced to instead remain silent?  Good luck with that.

The 4th isn't very strong here either.  Illegal search is a stretch in my opinion, but it might be worth filing a law suit in hopes you can find a sympathetic judge as it the case works it way up to the supremes.

It'll all be worked out over time and maybe down the road specific data mining will only be allowed via a warrant.



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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 21:48:04 -0700
From: krfp at radiofreemoscow.org
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program

Yeah, and the First and the Fifth.  Here again I have the rare
    occurrence of agreeing with Paul.

At this point (actually since 911) I am WAY more afraid of my own
    government then any so called "terrorist".  And I don't mind if they
    know that, obviously, since I posted this. 

Dave


 

On 6/6/2013 9:16 PM, Paul Rumelhart wrote:


>I'm talking about the 4th Amendment, mainly.
>
>Paul
>
>On 06/06/2013 06:13 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
>
> 
>><I'd rather have my rights.>
>>
>>Could you be any less specific?  If anyone's constitutional
          rights are being trampled from this data mining then we
          already have a system in place to roll back the worst abuses.
>>
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:16:17 -0700
>>> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
>>> To: Vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Subject: [Vision2020] U.S. intelligence mining data
            from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program
>>> 
>>> Here is the URL for a story from the Washington Post
            about yet another 
>>> data mining warrantless wiretapping abuse.
>>> 
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-
>>>
            program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html
>>> 
>>> I fear that this is just the beginning of the
            "revelations" to come. 
>>> It's been going on for years. I'm hoping that The
            People will get so 
>>> mad about this that we can begin the process of rolling
            back some of the 
>>> worst abuses that have taken place in order to "keep us
            safe". Screw 
>>> safety. I'd rather have my rights.
>>> 
>>> Paul
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