[Vision2020] Happy gun violence day!
Saundra Lund
v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm
Mon Jan 21 14:53:18 PST 2013
Gary, if you personally want to believe certifiably crazy conspiracy
anti-government birther bloggers instead of those like law enforcement
and other first responders who were actually there, and the MEs who
examined the victims, knock yourself out.
But to try to present the baseless unhinged rantings of the lunatic
fringe as factual rightly completely destroys any credibility you ever
hoped to have amongst rational and sane people.
Next, you'll be posting that the Sandy Hook Elementary School tragedy
didn't really happen & was nothing more than a hoax perpetuated by the
illegitimate president & his anti-gun minions. Those families who lost
their beloved children are just actors.
Here's a hint. When the men in the white coats come to your door, do
perhaps the first sane thing you've done in years: LET THEM IN!
Planet Earth invites your long overdue return to sanity.
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013, at 01:35 PM, Gary Crabtree wrote:
> What puts the icing on the the let's ban assault weapons cake is the fact
> that The AR was not used at Newtown. The rifle was left in the the little
> psychopath's carand was not used at the school. The push to ban a
> particularly disliked type of firearm is pure opportunism.
>
> g
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <
> sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > You say, 'The sad fact is that if the assault weapons ban had been in
> > place, Newtown would have happened anyway.'
> >
> > How is this a fact? Do you have evidence that this young man would have
> > had the same access to the weapon if it were not in his home?
> >
> > How is this not just your opinion?
> >
> > Sunil
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 11:39:56 -0800
> > From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> > To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; rhayes at frontier.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Happy gun violence day!
> >
> >
> > It's infringing upon a right that the Constitution itself says cannot be
> > infringed upon. So, in order to do so anyway, it had damn well better be a
> > very needed law. The sad fact is that if the assault weapons ban had been
> > in place, Newtown would have happened anyway. The guy who did that did it
> > for a reason that was more complicated than "Hey look! Here's an AR-15!
> > There's nothing on Netflix, the gym's closed, I'm climbing the walls here,
> > maybe I should go shoot some kids!"
> >
> > I have no doubt that you can buy a gun that works just as well as an AR-15
> > but that doesn't have a pistol grip or a flash suppressor now. Shortly
> > after this ban, the just-barely non-assault version of the rifle will come
> > out. The statistics will show that there was a drop in "assault weapon"
> > shootings, because the AR-15 mark II won't be counted in them, and the
> > politicians will try to con the people into thinking they actually helped
> > anything. This ban is stupid. It's all political, and it's pointless in a
> > practical sense.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On 01/19/2013 08:29 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:
> >
> > This is long but let me make clear that there is a considerable difference
> > between the view that we shouldn't impinge on rights on a whim and the view
> > I was criticizing. I think we're all in agreement that whims won't do it.
> >
> > On Jan 19, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Let's see.
> >
> > 1. When the Constitution was written, we'd just finished a war in which
> > we rebelled against those in authority and claimed our independence as a
> > nation for ourselves.
> >
> > 2. Shortly after that, we wrote our own Constitution, which describes the
> > ways in which government is limited. No more royal decrees for us.
> >
> > 3. When adding the Bill of Rights, the restriction against infringing on
> > our right to bear arms was added as the second such amendment, right after
> > freedom of speech.
> >
> > 4. One assumes from this that the right to bear arms was indeed important
> > to our forefathers. And not because they wanted us to hunt.
> >
> > Given all that, I think it's reasonable to assume that the right in
> > question shouldn't be infringed upon on a whim. Events like Newtown are
> > rare, and each one gets splashed across the news for a month or more
> > because it's very dramatic. I don't like seeing children die either, but
> > reducing magazine sizes to 10 rounds and removing scary-looking rifles
> > while leaving just-as-functional rifles alone isn't going to stop the next
> > spree shooting, even if it actually makes it's way into law. Klebold was
> > on this tenth 10-round magazine when he killed himself. This guy that did
> > Newtown would have had just as easy access to his mothers AR-15, since
> > there is no way in hell they will pass something that will make people have
> > to turn them in. An ineffective law passed only because people are riled
> > up about kids getting shot isn't worth weakening the 2nd amendment, in my
> > opinion.
> >
> > I can get behind better background checks, well thought-out restrictions
> > on people suspected of being mentally ill (that's a whole other can of
> > worms when we are talking about people's rights, but we should start the
> > conversation), better data collection, and incentives to keep weapons
> > secured and safe. Banning assault weapons, though, is a farce. It's a
> > political ploy that's using people's fear and anger to pass something that
> > makes it look like they are doing something that will help.
> >
> > I'm not a member of the NRA, and I think they go way overboard sometimes.
> > Still, I haven't seen them or anyone else trying to claim that gun
> > ownership should be unrestricted. We already have gun registration,
> > background checks, cooling off periods, and restrictions against actual
> > assault weapons (i.e. fully automatic weapons).
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On 01/19/2013 02:01 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:
> >
> > How is the second amendment under threat?
> >
> > The NRA interpretation of the 2nd amendment is absurd. It is in fact so
> > absurd that neither you nor anyone else would try to defend it in a public
> > setting. Which is why this post will be followed by silence from you and
> > others.
> >
> > The idea that the right to own guns is UNRESTRICTED is absurd. NO rights
> > are unrestricted. If speech can be restricted, then so can the sale and
> > purchase of guns. And speech is and can be restricted.
> >
> > If the NRA position has something to do with RIGHTS, then you should be
> > able to name another right that is similarly unrestricted. But you can't.
> > The NRA position has nothing to do with rights. It has to do with gun sales.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> >
> > The nerve of those people! Having a rally in support of one of the
> > amendments to the Constitution! How despicable! How un-American!
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On 01/19/2013 09:32 AM, rhayes at frontier.com wrote:
> >
> > Happy Gun Violence day today everyone! Hope you have a bang!
> >
> > *From:* "vision2020-request at moscow.com" <vision2020-request at moscow.com>
> > <vision2020-request at moscow.com> <vision2020-request at moscow.com>
> > *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com
> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:06 AM
> > *Subject:* Vision2020 Digest, Vol 79, Issue 205
> >
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Saturday is "National Gun Appreciation Day" (Ron Force)
> > 2. Re: Saturday is "National Gun Appreciation Day" (Tom Hansen)
> > 3. Caturday (January 19, 2013) (Tom Hansen)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 20:40:44 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com>
> > To: Moscow Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Saturday is "National Gun Appreciation Day"
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> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fWHFMQ8Wlk
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> > ?
> > Ron Force
> > Moscow Idaho USA
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 20:59:17 -0800
> > From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> > To: Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: Moscow Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Saturday is "National Gun Appreciation Day"
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> >
> > Gun Rally Planned This Weekend in Coeur d'Alene
> > http://tinyurl.com/agnm5kj
> >
> > COEUR D'ALENE, Idaho (AP) - Gun advocates in northern Idaho are planning a
> > rally and encouraging participants to openly carry weapons as allowed by
> > Idaho law.
> >
> > The Coeur d'Alene Press reports (http://bit.ly/WdqSJr) that the Second
> > Amendment rally and gun appreciation event is planned for 1 p.m. Saturday
> > at Black Sheep Sporting Goods in Coeur d'Alene.
> >
> > Organizers say guest speakers include state lawmakers.
> >
> > --------------------------------------
> >
> > Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
> >
> > "Moscow Cares"
> > http://www.MoscowCares.com
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> > But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> > If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> >
> > - John Lennon
> >
> >
> > On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fWHFMQ8Wlk
> > >
> > > Ron Force
> > > Moscow Idaho USA
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 06:06:20 -0800
> > From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> > To: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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