[Vision2020] Another Answer to School Shootings . . .

[Donovan Arnold]

Why do we care what Bouma thinks? I don't like Obamacare either. It is simply a tax on people that cannot afford to give money to fraud artists called insurance companies. 
 
Donovan J. Arnold
From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
To: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> 
Cc: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another Answer to School Shootings . . .


What is the deal with the alleged connection between Obamacare and (supposed) "corporate welfare to big pharma," as you say Scott? That is clearly what he's getting at. I confess ignorance on this matter -- meaning, I have no idea whether there is a link between the two or not. Is there a link? Does anyone know if the comment has any basis? Of course, big pharma has been consistently helped by big government but that was true before Obama and as far as I can tell both Dems and Repubs have been guilty of this sin. Is there something in Obamacare that I've missed suggesting that the situation is likely to get worse? Joe


On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:

It's interesting that Bouma chooses to list his biases for his 'ideas' on preventing massacres.  Vouchers = parents are allowed to send their kids to schools with better security (and as an added bonus Bouma essentially lists that the vouchers target teacher's unions).  And now, he pretty much writes that preventing kids from being medicated will prevent shootings (and as an added bonus, Obamacare is stopped and that thus corporate welfare to big pharma would be curtailed).  This is pretty much the worst spin I've ever seen put on anything.  If he continues in this vein, I'm guessing that his next move will be '[insert any conservative cause] will prevent school shootings because [insert any random bullshit] and as an added bonus [insert underlying Biblical or financial justification]'.
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>Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:41:58 -0800
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>It should also be noted that those shooters, identified in the article linked by Bouma's comment, wore under garments (so it has been reported by a source best left un identified).  Could the donning of undergarments have been a contributing factor in the commission of these heinous murders?
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>If so, Moscow, you can feel safe with me.  I haven't worn underwear since 1968. 
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>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
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>"Moscow Cares"
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>Tom Hansen
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>On Jan 2, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
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>The article that Bouma refers to and his use of it provide nice examples of fallacious reasoning. In the article, there is a list of school shooters and then the claim that all of them (not all school shooters but everyone on the list) happened to be prescribed some kind of medication, though in some instances the medication is listed merely as "Med for Depression." Then the claim that the medications are responsible and so we should reject Obama-care!
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>>One fallacy is the confusion of correlation and causation. All the shooters drank water as well but that doesn't mean that drinking water was the cause of the shootings. One needs to establish at least "4 cells" of information in order to make a case for a causal relation: How many took the meds and became shooters? How many didn't take the meds and became shooters? How many took the meds and didn't become shooters? How many didn't take the meds and didn't become shooters? Correlation fallacies focus on just one bit of this information, In this case, we don't really even get the first cell of info since we don't know that the shooters took the meds, just that they were prescribed medication (not sure how we could know this latter point either, by the way) -- and a variety of meds to boot, some unknown or listed just as "Med for Depression."
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>>Today's logic lesson was brought to you by Starbucks coffee!
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>>On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>Does this message from Bouma auger a merging of Freeze Church ans Christ Church?
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>>>>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
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>>>>"Moscow Cares"
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>>>>Tom Hansen
>>>>Moscow, Idaho
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