<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:8pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Why do we care what </SPAN><SPAN id=misspell-0 class=mark>Bouma</SPAN> thinks? I don't like <SPAN id=misspell-1 class=mark>Obamacare</SPAN> either. It is simply a tax on people that cannot afford to give money to fraud artists called insurance companies. </div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto">Donovan J. Arnold</div>
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<DIV id=yiv1435143372>What is the deal with the alleged connection between <SPAN id=misspell-2 class=mark>Obamacare</SPAN> and (supposed) "corporate welfare to big <SPAN id=misspell-3 class=mark>pharma</SPAN>," as you say Scott? That is clearly what he's getting at. I confess ignorance on this matter -- meaning, I have no idea whether there is a link between the two or not. Is there a link? Does anyone know if the comment has any basis? Of course, big <SPAN id=misspell-4 class=mark>pharma</SPAN> has been consistently helped by big government but that was true before Obama and as far as I can tell both <SPAN id=misspell-5 class=mark>Dems</SPAN> and <SPAN id=misspell-6 class=mark>Repubs</SPAN> have been guilty of this sin. Is there something in <SPAN id=misspell-7 class=mark>Obamacare</SPAN> that I've missed suggesting that the situation is likely to get worse? Joe<BR><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>It's interesting that <SPAN id=misspell-8 class=mark>Bouma</SPAN> chooses to list his biases for his 'ideas' on preventing massacres. Vouchers = parents are allowed to send their kids to schools with better security (and as an added bonus <SPAN id=misspell-9 class=mark>Bouma</SPAN> essentially lists that the vouchers target teacher's unions). And now, he pretty much writes that preventing kids from being medicated will prevent shootings (and as an added bonus, <SPAN id=misspell-10 class=mark>Obamacare</SPAN> is stopped and that thus corporate welfare to big <SPAN id=misspell-11 class=mark>pharma</SPAN> would be curtailed). This is pretty much the worst spin I've ever seen put on anything. If he continues in this vein, I'm guessing that his next move will be '[insert any conservative cause] will prevent school shootings because [insert any random bullshit] and as an added bonus [insert underlying Biblical or financial
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<DIV>It should also be noted that those shooters, identified in the article linked by <SPAN id=misspell-12 class=mark>Bouma's</SPAN> comment, wore under garments (so it has been reported by a source best left <SPAN id=misspell-13 class=mark>un</SPAN> identified). Could the donning of undergarments have been a contributing factor in the commission of these heinous murders?</DIV>
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<DIV>If so, Moscow, you can feel safe with me. I haven't worn underwear since 1968.
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<DIV><BR>On Jan 2, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Joe Campbell <<A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1435143372im>The article that <SPAN id=misspell-15 class=mark>Bouma</SPAN> refers to and his use of it provide nice examples of fallacious reasoning. In the article, there is a list of school shooters and then the claim that all of them (not all school shooters but everyone on the list) happened to be prescribed some kind of medication, though in some instances the medication is listed merely as "Med for Depression." Then the claim that the medications are responsible and so we should reject Obama-care!<BR><BR>One fallacy is the confusion of correlation and causation. All the shooters drank water as well but that doesn't mean that drinking water was the cause of the shootings. One needs to establish at least "4 cells" of information in order to make a case for a causal relation: How many took the <SPAN id=misspell-16 class=mark>meds</SPAN> and became shooters? How many didn't take the <SPAN id=misspell-17 class=mark>meds</SPAN> and became
shooters? How many took the <SPAN id=misspell-18 class=mark>meds</SPAN> and didn't become shooters? How many didn't take the <SPAN id=misspell-19 class=mark>meds</SPAN> and didn't become shooters? Correlation fallacies focus on just one bit of this information, In this case, we don't really even get the first cell of info since we don't know that the shooters took the <SPAN id=misspell-20 class=mark>meds</SPAN>, just that they were prescribed medication (not sure how we could know this latter point either, by the way) -- and a variety of <SPAN id=misspell-21 class=mark>meds</SPAN> to boot, some unknown or listed just as "Med for Depression."<BR><BR>Today's logic lesson was brought to you by Starbucks coffee!<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1435143372im>On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Tom Hansen <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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