[Vision2020] Another Answer to School Shootings . . .

Wed Jan 2 23:07:53 PST 2013

Bouma's messaging is not clear to me.  It's more like he's throwing stuff at wall hoping something will stick against his main goal of sinking Obamacare.  The right does complain about over medicating kids.  Criticism along the lines of corporate welfare and profits of big pharma seem to come more from the left.  And of course he's using school shootings to try and connect the dots, but boy is it a convoluted linking just to try and score points against Obamacare.

I'm not aware of anything at this point that is threatening Obamacare other than some talk from conservative leaders of conservative states to dig in their heals against implementing it, but at risk of facing steep federal penalties.  I haven't been following this closely however.

-Scott

Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:36:24 -0800
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another Answer to School Shootings . . .
From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
CC: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com

What is the deal with the alleged connection between Obamacare and (supposed) "corporate welfare to big pharma," as you say Scott? That is clearly what he's getting at. I confess ignorance on this matter -- meaning, I have no idea whether there is a link between the two or not. Is there a link? Does anyone know if the comment has any basis? Of course, big pharma has been consistently helped by big government but that was true before Obama and as far as I can tell both Dems and Repubs have been guilty of this sin. Is there something in Obamacare that I've missed suggesting that the situation is likely to get worse? Joe

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:

It's interesting that Bouma chooses to list his biases for his 'ideas' 
on preventing massacres.  Vouchers = parents are allowed to send their 
kids to schools with better security (and as an added bonus Bouma 
essentially lists that the vouchers target teacher's unions).  And now, 
he pretty much writes that preventing kids from being medicated will 
prevent shootings (and as an added bonus, Obamacare is stopped and that thus corporate welfare to big pharma would be curtailed).  This is 
pretty much the worst spin I've ever seen put on anything.  If he 
continues in this vein, I'm guessing that his next move will be '[insert
 any conservative cause] will prevent school shootings because [insert any random bullshit] and as an added bonus 
[insert underlying Biblical or financial justification]'.

From: thansen at moscow.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:41:58 -0800
To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com

CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another Answer to School Shootings . . .

It should also be noted that those shooters, identified in the article linked by Bouma's comment, wore under garments (so it has been reported by a source best left un identified).  Could the donning of undergarments have been a contributing factor in the commission of these heinous murders?

If so, Moscow, you can feel safe with me.  I haven't worn underwear since 1968.

Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
"Moscow Cares"
http://www.MoscowCares.com  Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho 
On Jan 2, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

The article that Bouma refers to and his use of it provide nice examples of 
fallacious reasoning. In the article, 
there is a list of school shooters and then the claim that all of them 
(not all school shooters but everyone on the list) happened to be 
prescribed some kind of medication, though in some instances the 
medication is listed merely as "Med for Depression." Then the claim that
 the medications are responsible and so we should reject Obama-care!

One fallacy is the confusion of correlation and 
causation. All the shooters drank water as well but that doesn't mean 
that drinking water was the cause of the shootings. One needs to establish at least "4 
cells" of information in order to make a case for a causal relation: How
 many took the meds and became shooters? How many didn't take the meds 
and became shooters? How many took the meds and didn't become shooters? How many didn't take the meds and didn't become shooters? Correlation 
fallacies focus on just one bit of this information, In this case, we don't really even get the first cell of info since we don't know that the shooters took the meds, just 
that they were prescribed medication (not sure how we could know this latter point either, by the way) -- and a variety of meds to boot, 
some unknown or listed just as "Med for Depression."

Today's logic lesson was brought to you by Starbucks coffee!

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:

Does this message from Bouma auger a merging of Freeze Church ans Christ Church?

w.

On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

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Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
"Moscow Cares"http://www.MoscowCares.com

  Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho 
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