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Bouma's messaging is not clear to me. It's more like he's throwing stuff at wall hoping something will stick against his main goal of sinking Obamacare. The right does complain about over medicating kids. Criticism along the lines of corporate welfare and profits of big pharma seem to come more from the left. And of course he's using school shootings to try and connect the dots, but boy is it a convoluted linking just to try and score points against Obamacare.<br><br>I'm not aware of anything at this point that is threatening Obamacare other than some talk from conservative leaders of conservative states to dig in their heals against implementing it, but at risk of facing steep federal penalties. I haven't been following this closely however.<br><br>-Scott<br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:36:24 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another Answer to School Shootings . . .<br>From: philosopher.joe@gmail.com<br>To: scooterd408@hotmail.com<br>CC: thansen@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br><br>What is the deal with the alleged connection between Obamacare and (supposed) "corporate welfare to big pharma," as you say Scott? That is clearly what he's getting at. I confess ignorance on this matter -- meaning, I have no idea whether there is a link between the two or not. Is there a link? Does anyone know if the comment has any basis? Of course, big pharma has been consistently helped by big government but that was true before Obama and as far as I can tell both Dems and Repubs have been guilty of this sin. Is there something in Obamacare that I've missed suggesting that the situation is likely to get worse? Joe<br>
<br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Scott Dredge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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It's interesting that Bouma chooses to list his biases for his 'ideas'
on preventing massacres. Vouchers = parents are allowed to send their
kids to schools with better security (and as an added bonus Bouma
essentially lists that the vouchers target teacher's unions). And now,
he pretty much writes that preventing kids from being medicated will
prevent shootings (and as an added bonus, Obamacare is stopped and that thus corporate welfare to big pharma would be curtailed). This is
pretty much the worst spin I've ever seen put on anything. If he
continues in this vein, I'm guessing that his next move will be '[insert
any conservative cause] will prevent school shootings because [insert any random bullshit] and as an added bonus
[insert underlying Biblical or financial justification]'.<br><br><div><div></div><hr>From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:41:58 -0800<br>To: <a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a><br>
CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><div class="ecxim"><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another Answer to School Shootings . . .<br><br></div><div>It should also be noted that those shooters, identified in the article linked by Bouma's comment, wore under garments (so it has been reported by a source best left un identified). Could the donning of undergarments have been a contributing factor in the commission of these heinous murders?</div>
<div><br></div><div>If so, Moscow, you can feel safe with me. I haven't worn underwear since 1968.<div class="ecxim"><br><br><div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares"</div>
<div><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div> </div></div></div></div><div class="ecxim"><div><br>On Jan 2, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Joe Campbell <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div></div><blockquote><div><div class="ecxim">The article that Bouma refers to and his use of it provide nice examples of
fallacious reasoning. In the article,
there is a list of school shooters and then the claim that all of them
(not all school shooters but everyone on the list) happened to be
prescribed some kind of medication, though in some instances the
medication is listed merely as "Med for Depression." Then the claim that
the medications are responsible and so we should reject Obama-care!<br><br>One fallacy is the confusion of correlation and
causation. All the shooters drank water as well but that doesn't mean
that drinking water was the cause of the shootings. One needs to establish at least "4
cells" of information in order to make a case for a causal relation: How
many took the meds and became shooters? How many didn't take the meds
and became shooters? How many took the meds and didn't become shooters? How many didn't take the meds and didn't become shooters? Correlation
fallacies focus on just one bit of this information, In this case, we don't really even get the first cell of info since we don't know that the shooters took the meds, just
that they were prescribed medication (not sure how we could know this latter point either, by the way) -- and a variety of meds to boot,
some unknown or listed just as "Med for Depression."<br><br>Today's logic lesson was brought to you by Starbucks coffee!<br><br></div><div><div class="ecxim">On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Art Deco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="ecxim"><div dir="ltr">Does this message from Bouma auger a merging of Freeze Church ans Christ Church?<br><br>w.<br></div></div><div>
<br><br><div><div class="ecxim">On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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