[Vision2020] WWJS?

Tom Hansen thansen at moscow.com
Wed Feb 6 12:55:07 PST 2013 

The bottom line, g . . .

Regardless of your interpretation of the Bible or my interpretation of the Bible, our laws are man-made.  Being agnostic, and not all that religious, I do not believe that our laws should be modeled on a theocratic culture.

Concerning your self-righteous judgmental attitude, I shared your comments with Boss Cat, a recent feline addition to the Hansen abode.  Here, in terms of which I am certain you are familiar, is . . . 

. . . what Boss Cat thinks.
http://www.tomandrodna.com/Photos/What_Boss_Cat_Thinks.jpg
 
Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares"
http://www.MoscowCares.com
  
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still 
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon
 

On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure what "lie" you think you have caught me in. I suspect it manifests itself only in your mind and as such I'll simply move on.
>  
> Citing Matt 26:52 from various and sundry different translations does nothing to bolster the argument that it can be applied in any way to the current discussion over firearms. If the passage you cite were to be taken literally as you imply, Jesus would be in absolute error. Many people "live by the sword." Police, security guards, soldiers, professional hunters, and just plain people who are firearms enthusiasts all live by the sword, most do not die by it.
>  
> Let's, for the sake of expediency, assume that the passage means exactly what you are trying to say it means. Thank you for the heads up, I'll take my chances, now go pound sand. As someone who has been a major proponent of church/state separation, I have to wonder why you even bring a bible passage into the discussion no matter how poor your understanding of it.
>  
> g
> 
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>> 52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
>> 
>> - Matthew 26:52
>> New International Version (NIV)
>> http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+26%3A52&version=NIV
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------
>> 
>> "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
>> 
>> - Matthew 26:52
>> http://bible.cc/matthew/26-52.htm
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------
>> 
>> 52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
>> 
>> - Matthew 26:52 (King James Version)
>> 
>> http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+26%3A52&version=KJV
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------
>> 
>> 52 "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
>> 
>> - Matthew 26:52
>> http://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/26-52.html
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword.
>> 
>> - Matthew 26:52
>> http://www.openbible.info/labs/cross-references/search?q=Matthew+26%3A52
>>  
>> ------------------------------------------
>> 
>> And so on . . . and so on . . . and so on . . . and so on . . .
>> 
>> If you're gonna lie, g, at least make it a believable lie.  
>> 
>> Care to share a link to the source of your "interpretation"?
>> 
>> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>> 
>> "Moscow Cares"
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>   
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>> 
>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>> 
>> - John Lennon
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>> 
>> "Moscow Cares"
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>   
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>> 
>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>> 
>> - John Lennon
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>> 
>> "Moscow Cares"
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>   
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>> 
>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>> 
>> - John Lennon
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>> 
>> "Moscow Cares"
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>   
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>> 
>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>> 
>> - John Lennon
>>  
>> 
>> On Feb 6, 2013, at 6:36 AM, "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ah! One of my favorite pastimes, dueling Bible passages used out of context.
>>>  
>>> Matt. 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
>>>  
>>> g
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Tom Hansen
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:39 PM
>>> To: Paul Rumelhart
>>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] WWJS?
>>> 
>>> "Then Jesus said to him, 'Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword.'"
>>> 
>>> - Matthew 26:52-54
>>> 
>>> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>> 
>>> "Moscow Cares"
>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>>   
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>> 
>>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
>>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
>>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>> 
>>> - John Lennon
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Feb 5, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> In other words, I doubt He'd say much at all.  I don't picture him as someone who would get all worked up.  It would probably have something to do with judging the man's heart and not the weight of iron at his hip.  The apparent fact that you think he'd find something wrong with this is the part that baffles me.
>>>> 
>>>> But then, I'm not a biblical scholar.
>>>> 
>>>> Paul
>>>> 
>>>> On 02/05/2013 07:34 PM, Art Deco wrote:
>>>>> Somehow it appears that you missed the point of WWJS?
>>>>> 
>>>>> w.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> People on this list might find this very disconcerting, but there is actually nothing evil about owning a firearm, or carrying a firearm for defense, or even in using a firearm not against another person or their property (though they might frown on firing one off in church).  It's only when you are shooting another person or their property with one that the moral ambiguities arise.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Again, because I think this point is important, "firearm" (not equal to) "evil".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 2:41 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] WWJS?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> WWJS?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/05/arkansas-to-allow-concealed-guns-in-churches/?hpt=hp_t2
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>>>>>> art.deco.studios at gmail.com
>>>>>> 
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