[Vision2020] WWJS?
Gary Crabtree
moscowlocksmith at gmail.com
Wed Feb 6 12:27:05 PST 2013
I'm not sure what "lie" you think you have caught me in. I suspect it
manifests itself only in your mind and as such I'll simply move on.
Citing Matt 26:52 from various and sundry different translations does
nothing to bolster the argument that it can be applied in any way to the
current discussion over firearms. If the passage you cite were to be taken
literally as you imply, Jesus would be in absolute error. Many people "live
by the sword." Police, security guards, soldiers, professional hunters, and
just plain people who are firearms enthusiasts all live by the sword, most
do not die by it.
Let's, for the sake of expediency, assume that the passage means exactly
what you are trying to say it means. Thank you for the heads up, I'll take
my chances, now go pound sand. As someone who has been a major proponent of
church/state separation, I have to wonder why you even bring a bible
passage into the discussion no matter how poor your understanding of it.
g
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> 52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who
> draw the sword will die by the sword.
> - Matthew 26:52
>
> New International Version (NIV)
> http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+26%3A52&version=NIV
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
> "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw
> the sword will die by the sword.
>
> - Matthew 26:52
> http://bible.cc/matthew/26-52.htm
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
> 52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for
> all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
> - Matthew 26:52 (King James Version)
> http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+26%3A52&version=KJV
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
> 52 "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who
> draw the sword will die by the sword.
>
> - Matthew 26:52
> http://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/26-52.html
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who
> take the sword will perish by the sword.
>
> - Matthew 26:52
> http://www.openbible.info/labs/cross-references/search?q=Matthew+26%3A52
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
> And so on . . . and so on . . . and so on . . . and so on . . .
>
> If you're gonna lie, g, at least make it a believable lie.
>
> Care to share a link to the source of your "interpretation"?
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares"
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares"
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares"
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares"
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2013, at 6:36 AM, "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> Ah! One of my favorite pastimes, dueling Bible passages used out of
> context.
>
> *Matt. 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the
> earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."*
> **
> *g*
>
>
> *From:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:39 PM
> *To:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] WWJS?
>
> "Then Jesus said to him, 'Put your sword back into its place. For all
> who take the sword will perish by the sword.'"
>
> - Matthew 26:52-54
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares"
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> In other words, I doubt He'd say much at all. I don't picture him as
> someone who would get all worked up. It would probably have something to
> do with judging the man's heart and not the weight of iron at his hip. The
> apparent fact that you think he'd find something wrong with this is the
> part that baffles me.
>
> But then, I'm not a biblical scholar.
>
> Paul
>
> On 02/05/2013 07:34 PM, Art Deco wrote:
>
> Somehow it appears that you missed the point of WWJS?
>
> w.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> People on this list might find this very disconcerting, but there is
>> actually nothing evil about owning a firearm, or carrying a firearm for
>> defense, or even in using a firearm not against another person or their
>> property (though they might frown on firing one off in church). It's only
>> when you are shooting another person or their property with one that the
>> moral ambiguities arise.
>>
>> Again, because I think this point is important, "firearm" (not equal to)
>> "evil".
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>
>> *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 5, 2013 2:41 PM
>> *Subject:* [Vision2020] WWJS?
>>
>> WWJS?
>>
>>
>> http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/05/arkansas-to-allow-concealed-guns-in-churches/?hpt=hp_t2
>>
>> --
>> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>> art.deco.studios at gmail.com
>>
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