[Vision2020] Searching house by house in Boston
Janesta
janesta at gmail.com
Wed Apr 24 11:22:24 PDT 2013
I remember hearing about the terrorist's rights being not read/read on the
news... Pardon my C&P. Some of these facts were swimming around in my head,
but to get them right, I had to look it up.
**
*Police can use statements defendants made without getting Mirandized if
they need to question a suspect in order to protect the public's safety*, the
Supreme Court ruled in
1984.<http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/467/649/case.html>
In October 2010, the FBI issued a
guidance<http://www.justice.gov/oip/docs/ag-memo-miranda-rights.pdf>for
how to apply this "public safety exemption" to terrorism suspects. The
memo noted that "an arrest of an operational terrorist may warrant
significantly more public safety interrogation" than ordinary criminal
cases.
While that guidance would seem to apply to the Boston marathon suspect, the
decision not to Mirandize him right away has spurred a debate over the
rights of terrorism suspects.
Anthony D. Romero, who heads the American Civil Liberties Union, told The
New York Times
<http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/us/a-debate-over-delaying-suspects-miranda-rights.html>the
FBI should only be questioning the non-Mirandized Tsarnaev about imminent
threats like other bombs that might be planted.
“The public safety exception to Miranda should be a narrow and limited one,
and it would be wholly inappropriate and unconstitutional to use it to
create the case against the suspect,” Romero told The Times.
Read more:
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-didnt-boston-suspect-get-miranda-2013-4#ixzz2RPFNzNJe
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
> Just imagine what WILL happen when the case gets appealed, and is there
> seriously anyone on the list that thinks it won't be?
> Photo of the accused terrorist in bed with a tube down his throat, all
> sorts of wires and tubes plugged into him and some one is going to
> seriously argue that the accused could knowingly, and
> freely give up his rights? Take a look at the boat that has been
> photographed and published with all of the bullet holes in it. Sure, I'll
> believe that he tried to commit suicide and that the throat wounds
> are "self-inflicted". Am I the only one that thinks there was a "kill"
> order out on this kid?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Paul Rumelhart wrote:
>
> I can't figure out why a judge would think that the bomber wouldn't need
> to have his rights read to him, too. I can only assume it has something to
> do with the Patriot Act. They may indeed have set it up inadvertently to
> get this guy off. And if they had found him inside a house in which they
> didn't have a warrant to search, then they might be in trouble as well.
> The lesson, of course, is to play by the book, not run off half-cocked
> because they are looking for a terrorist.
>
> Paul
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>
> *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:59 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Searching house by house in Boston
>
> I'm still puzzled why a judge ruled that is was OK not to read the bomber
> his Miranda rights. This could undo the whole case against him. This is a
> real question in this case since apparently information was elicited
> without the warning.
>
> Is Gary's question hypothetical? Did someone actually refuse to allow a
> search? Either way, it is an important question. I am not a criminal and
> do not indulge in criminal activities. None-the-less, absent an extreme,
> extreme case, I would never consent to a warrantless search. I have a lot
> of private business that is no one else's save the transacting parties.
> Police discretion is not perfect, and in Idaho, very much less than perfect.
>
> There is case law on searches during emergencies, but I've forgotten what
> it is. I don't have Lexus/Nexus, so I can't look it up easily.
>
> w.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <
> sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> You can give up your rights whenever you want. The real question is, Do
> you think what the police did was legal? What should have happened to a
> person who said, No, get a warrant?
>
> Sunil
>
> ------------------------------
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> From: thansen at moscow.com
>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Searching house by house in Boston
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:37:57 -0700
> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>
>
> My argument EXACTLY, Sunil.
>
> I am arguing IN FAVOR of the door-to-door searches by law enorcement
> agancies.
>
> As it so proudly states on the side of each and every LAPD patrol car . . .
>
> "To Protect and to Serve"
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2013, at 6:30 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> You could be holding 20 pounds of heroin and a collection of human heads.
> And we all know you have a shotgun, The police should be able to search
> your place without a warrant.
>
> Sunil
>
> ------------------------------
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:06:03 -0700
> To: jampot at roadrunner.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Searching house by house in Boston
>
> And if Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was in one of those houses . . . holding a
> couple (or family) hostage . . . with a gun . . .
>
> Should the police withheld going door-to-door because they (the police)
> did not have a search warrant for each and every residence in Watertown?
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2013, at 5:31 AM, "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
> I wonder what the outcome would have been had a citizen replied with what
> should be the automatic response of "do you have a warrant?"
>
>
> *From:* Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:57 PM
> *To:* Moscow Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Searching house by house in Boston
>
> Here's another:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2LrbsUVSVl8
>
> Ron Force
> Moscow Idaho USA
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> *To:* Vision 2020 <Vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:22 PM
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] Searching house by house in Boston
>
> Here is a news clip showing reactions to the police going door-to-door
> in SWAT teams evicting the residents and searching the houses. People
> who know me can assume that I'm outraged by this. Shut down an entire
> city for two guys? Armed SWAT team members pointing their guns at your
> family? 9,000 cops in SWAT gear and loaded for bear? Of course I'm
> outraged.
>
> But what gets me is how the people just shrug it off. "They are doing
> the right thing." "They apologized for the inconvenience." "I'm so
> happy they are doing their jobs." How happy would you be if an accident
> happened and they shot your son?
>
> Inconceivable.
>
> Here is the video clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ1-ZUN3Li0
>
> Thoughts? Is this really OK? Doesn't it remind you of "papers, please"
> and all the other dictatorial trappings we previously only ever saw in
> movies?
>
> Is this the new normal?
>
> Paul
>
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