[Vision2020] Searching house by house in Boston

Wayne Price bear at moscow.com
Wed Apr 24 11:09:05 PDT 2013 

Paul,

Just imagine what WILL happen when the case gets appealed, and is there seriously anyone on the list that thinks it won't be?
Photo of the accused  terrorist in bed with a tube down his throat, all sorts of wires and tubes plugged into him and some one is going to seriously argue that the accused could knowingly, and 
freely give up his rights? Take a look at the boat that has been photographed and published with all of the bullet holes in it. Sure, I'll believe that he tried to commit suicide and that the throat wounds 
are "self-inflicted". Am I the only one that thinks there was a "kill" order out on this kid?







On Apr 24, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Paul Rumelhart wrote:

> I can't figure out why a judge would think that the bomber wouldn't need to have his rights read to him, too.  I can only assume it has something to do with the Patriot Act.  They may indeed have set it up inadvertently to get this guy off.  And if they had found him inside a house in which they didn't have a warrant to search, then they might be in trouble as well.  The lesson, of course, is to play by the book, not run off half-cocked because they are looking for a terrorist.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> From: Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Searching house by house in Boston
> 
> I'm still puzzled why a judge ruled that is was OK not to read the bomber his Miranda rights.  This could undo the whole case against him.  This is a real question in this case since apparently information was elicited without the warning.
> 
> Is Gary's question hypothetical?  Did someone actually refuse to allow a search?  Either way, it is an important question.  I am not a criminal and do not indulge in criminal activities.  None-the-less, absent an extreme, extreme case, I would never consent to a warrantless search.  I have a lot of private business that is no one else's save the transacting parties.  Police discretion is not perfect, and in Idaho, very much less than perfect.
> 
> There is case law on searches during emergencies, but I've forgotten what it is.  I don't have Lexus/Nexus, so I can't look it up easily.
> 
> w.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Tom,
> 
> You can give up your rights whenever you want. The real question is, Do you think what the police did was legal? What should have happened to a person who said, No, get a warrant?
> 
> Sunil
> 
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> 
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Searching house by house in Boston
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:37:57 -0700
> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> 
> 
> My argument EXACTLY, Sunil.
> 
> I am arguing IN FAVOR of the door-to-door searches by law enorcement agancies.
> 
> As it so proudly states on the side of each and every LAPD patrol car . . .
> 
> "To Protect and to Serve"
> 
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
> 
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>   
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> 
> - John Lennon
>  
> 
> On Apr 24, 2013, at 6:30 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> 
> You could be holding 20 pounds of heroin and a collection of human heads. And we all know you have a shotgun, The police should be able to search your place without a warrant.
> 
> Sunil
> 
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:06:03 -0700
> To: jampot at roadrunner.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Searching house by house in Boston
> 
> And if Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was in one of those houses . . . holding a couple (or family) hostage . . . with a gun . . .
> 
> Should the police withheld going door-to-door because they (the police) did not have a search warrant for each and every residence in Watertown?
> 
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
> 
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>   
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> 
> - John Lennon
>  
> 
> On Apr 24, 2013, at 5:31 AM, "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> I wonder what the outcome would have been had a citizen replied with what should be the automatic response of "do you have a warrant?"
>  
> 
> From: Ron Force
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:57 PM
> To: Moscow Vision2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Searching house by house in Boston
> 
> Here's another:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2LrbsUVSVl8
>  
> Ron Force
> Moscow Idaho USA
> From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> To: Vision 2020 <Vision2020 at moscow.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:22 PM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Searching house by house in Boston
> 
> Here is a news clip showing reactions to the police going door-to-door 
> in SWAT teams evicting the residents and searching the houses.  People 
> who know me can assume that I'm outraged by this. Shut down an entire 
> city for two guys?  Armed SWAT team members pointing their guns at your 
> family?  9,000 cops in SWAT gear and loaded for bear?  Of course I'm 
> outraged.
> 
> But what gets me is how the people just shrug it off.  "They are doing 
> the right thing."  "They apologized for the inconvenience." "I'm so 
> happy they are doing their jobs."  How happy would you be if an accident 
> happened and they shot your son?
> 
> Inconceivable.
> 
> Here is the video clip:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ1-ZUN3Li0
> 
> Thoughts?  Is this really OK?  Doesn't it remind you of "papers, please" 
> and all the other dictatorial trappings we previously only ever saw in 
> movies?
> 
> Is this the new normal?
> 
> Paul
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