[Vision2020] Importing A Known Abuser To WSU Football

[Art Deco]

Joe,

It would be nice if the majority of offenders could be rehabilitated
(redeemed) and that we have methods to distinguish between those that could
and those that can't.   We don't

Sobering statistics about recidivism:

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=17

And the definition of recidivism in the link above does not even attempt to
estimate the number who reoffend but who are not convicted or even charged
for reoffenses..

Again, I do not know the facts about what occurred at WSU; I doubt for
reasons I mentioned that we ever will.  But hiring a known abuser is
generally not a prudent thing to do.  Not for the university nor the
student athletes.

w.

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:

> I have concerns, too, given the history. I had concerns when he was
> originally hired. But not only is WSU doing an investigation, the PAC-12 is
> doing an investigation, too. I'm confident that they will discover whether
> or not the new accusations have a basis. I don't want to seem like a fool
> but I do believe in redemption. I'm willing to presume Leach innocent until
> proven guilty. Joe
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I do not know any of the facts.  I am not sure any kind of objective
>> investigation can be made by the WSU athletic department since the are
>> Lech's colleagues.
>>
>> The problem of the vagueness of the meaning of word "abuse" and the
>> problem of allegiances and fear of reprisals also complicate any
>> investigation.  I haven't privy to any athletic department accusations of a
>> abuse, but have been to a number of allegations of workplace abuses -- the
>> "fact finding" that sometimes occurs there is anything but.
>>
>> However, if one Googles the Texas Tech matter, there is clear and cogent
>> evidence that abuse occurred there at Leach's direction {and direct
>> action).  Regardless of whether abuse has occurred at WSU, hiring someone
>> where the past evidence was so clear was hardly a wise decision.  I hope
>> college presidents are going to be much more careful especially after the
>> Graham Spanier matter.
>>
>> If I remember correctly, Leach has a golden parachute if he is fired
>> betimes by WSU.
>>
>> w.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Not that I want to defend the practice of importing known abusers but I
>>> do think it may be too early to lynch Leach. I'm willing to wait out the
>>> investigation. He's not going to kill anyone and they are not going to win
>>> very many games this year whether he stays or goes.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>    1. Pac-12 will review Wilson allegations<http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/49123/pac-12-will-review-wilson-allegations-at-wsu>
>>>>    Ted Miller
>>>>
>>>>    Washington State and the Pac-12 will both review allegations made
>>>>    by former Washington State star receiver Marquess Wilson that first-year
>>>>    coach Mike Leach and his staff were abusive to players. The school
>>>>    announced that Wilson was suspended last ...
>>>>    Blog<http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/49123/pac-12-will-review-wilson-allegations-at-wsu>| November 12, 2012
>>>>    2. Pac-12 to investigate allegations against Washington State
>>>>    Cougar...<http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8623286/pac-12-investigate-allegations-washington-state-cougars-coach-mike-leach>
>>>>    Brett McMurphy
>>>>
>>>>    The Pac-12 has agreed to look into allegations made by former
>>>>    Washington State receiver Marquess Wilson of abusive behavior by coach Mike
>>>>    Leach and his staff, commissioner Larry Scott said Monday.
>>>>    Story<http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8623286/pac-12-investigate-allegations-washington-state-cougars-coach-mike-leach>|
>>>>    Conversation <http://espn.go.com/ncf/conversations/_/id/8623286> |
>>>>    November 12, 2012
>>>>    3. Washington State Cougars to review Marquess Wilson allegations<http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8620247/washington-state-cougars-review-marquess-wilson-allegations>
>>>>
>>>>    The president of Washington State University has asked the athletic
>>>>    department and the Pac-12 separately to review recent allegations about the
>>>>    football program in Pullman.
>>>>    Story<http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8620247/washington-state-cougars-review-marquess-wilson-allegations>|
>>>>    Conversation <http://espn.go.com/ncf/conversations/_/id/8620247> |
>>>>    November 11, 2012
>>>>    4. Wilson fires back at Washington State staff<http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/49005/marquess-wilson-fires-back-at-washington-state-staff>
>>>>    Ted Miller
>>>>
>>>>    Washington State receiver Marquess Wilson, suspended from the team
>>>>    this week, accused coach Mike Leach and his staff of abusive behavior on
>>>>    Saturday. From the ESPN.com story: "This was going to be our year. My
>>>>    teammates and I were aspiring to be ...
>>>>    Blog<http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/49005/marquess-wilson-fires-back-at-washington-state-staff>| November 10, 2012
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Remember Texas Tech.]
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>>>> art.deco.studios at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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