Joe,<br><br>It would be nice if the majority of offenders could be rehabilitated (redeemed) and that we have methods to distinguish between those that could and those that can't. We don't<br><br>Sobering statistics about recidivism:<br>
<br><a href="http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=17">http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=17</a><br><br>And the definition of recidivism in the link above does not even attempt to estimate the number who reoffend but who are not convicted or even charged for reoffenses..<br>
<br>Again, I do not know the facts about what occurred at WSU; I doubt for reasons I mentioned that we ever will. But hiring a known abuser is generally not a prudent thing to do. Not for the university nor the student athletes.<br>
<br>w.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Joe Campbell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I have concerns, too, given the history. I had concerns when he was originally hired. But not only is WSU doing an investigation, the PAC-12 is doing an investigation, too. I'm confident that they will discover whether or not the new accusations have a basis. I don't want to seem like a fool but I do believe in redemption. I'm willing to presume Leach innocent until proven guilty. Joe<div class="HOEnZb">
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Art Deco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I do not know any of the facts. I am not sure any kind of objective investigation can be made by the WSU athletic department since the are Lech's colleagues.<br><br>The problem of the vagueness of the meaning of word "abuse" and the problem of allegiances and fear of reprisals also complicate any investigation. I haven't privy to any athletic department accusations of a abuse, but have been to a number of allegations of workplace abuses -- the "fact finding" that sometimes occurs there is anything but.<br>
<br>However, if one Googles the Texas Tech matter, there is clear and cogent evidence that abuse occurred there at Leach's direction {and direct action). Regardless of whether abuse has occurred at WSU, hiring someone where the past evidence was so clear was hardly a wise decision. I hope college presidents are going to be much more careful especially after the Graham Spanier matter.<br>
<br>If I remember correctly, Leach has a golden parachute if he is fired betimes by WSU.<br><br>w.<div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Joe Campbell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Not that I want to defend the practice of importing known abusers but I do think it may be too early to lynch Leach. I'm willing to wait out the investigation. He's not going to kill anyone and they are not going to win very many games this year whether he stays or goes.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Art Deco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<h3><a href="http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/49123/pac-12-will-review-wilson-allegations-at-wsu" target="_blank">Pac-12 will review Wilson allegations</a></h3>
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<p>Washington State and the Pac-12 will both review allegations made by
former Washington State star receiver Marquess Wilson that first-year
coach Mike Leach and his staff were abusive to players. The school
announced that Wilson was suspended last ...</p>
<span><a href="http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/49123/pac-12-will-review-wilson-allegations-at-wsu" target="_blank">Blog</a> | November 12, 2012</span>
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<h3><a href="http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8623286/pac-12-investigate-allegations-washington-state-cougars-coach-mike-leach" target="_blank">Pac-12 to investigate allegations against Washington State Cougar...</a></h3>
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<p>The Pac-12 has agreed to look into allegations made by former
Washington State receiver Marquess Wilson of abusive behavior by coach
Mike Leach and his staff, commissioner Larry Scott said Monday.</p>
<span><a href="http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8623286/pac-12-investigate-allegations-washington-state-cougars-coach-mike-leach" target="_blank">Story</a> | <a href="http://espn.go.com/ncf/conversations/_/id/8623286" target="_blank">Conversation</a> | November 12, 2012</span>
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<h3><a href="http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8620247/washington-state-cougars-review-marquess-wilson-allegations" target="_blank">Washington State Cougars to review Marquess Wilson allegations</a></h3>
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<p>The president of Washington State University has asked the athletic
department and the Pac-12 separately to review recent allegations about
the football program in Pullman.</p>
<span><a href="http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8620247/washington-state-cougars-review-marquess-wilson-allegations" target="_blank">Story</a> | <a href="http://espn.go.com/ncf/conversations/_/id/8620247" target="_blank">Conversation</a> | November 11, 2012</span>
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<h3><a href="http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/49005/marquess-wilson-fires-back-at-washington-state-staff" target="_blank">Wilson fires back at Washington State staff</a></h3>
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<cite>Ted Miller</cite>
<p>Washington State receiver Marquess Wilson, suspended from the team
this week, accused coach Mike Leach and his staff of abusive behavior on
Saturday. From the ESPN.com story: "This was going to be our year. My
teammates and I were aspiring to be ...</p>
<span><a href="http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/49005/marquess-wilson-fires-back-at-washington-state-staff" target="_blank">Blog</a> | November 10, 2012</span>
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