[Vision2020] Something you need to know

Wed May 2 13:46:34 PDT 2012

Janesta,

Good to hear from you. I hope all is well with you now. I am sorry for your personal loss of a loved one in February. It can be tough on your heart, mind, and spirit. I flake on conversations all the time on-line because I have too many things going on at once and have the attention span of a goldfish. 

The way it works is if you don't have the money or insurance for your prescriptions, you don't get them. In assisted living facilities we simply ensure the residents take their medications and take them correctly. We cannot do that if the medications is not there because they don't have the means to get it. So a hold order has to be given. If not, we have a medication treatment error which is a black mark on the facility. If you get enough black marks, your facility gets fined, and even possibility put on probation and/or shut down. Then of course, all those people have to move to another facility and it can even kill some of them, like it did with Latah Healthcare Services in 2006. 

It isn't news that if you don't pay for your medications in the United States, you don't get your medications. So there is nothing to report to the media. However, I think people think that Social Security and Medicare will cover people, and it doesn't. People need to know that. However, I think it would be a good idea for the media to better report on the facts of life of people on medicare, medicaid, social security, and the decisions that they have to make because of a shortage of funds for their medical needs and the government's willingness to provide those needs for those that cannot provide for themselves. 

Donovan Arnold

From: Janesta <janesta at gmail.com>
To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>; Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>; Moscow Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Something you need to know

Hi Donovan,

You 

Hi Donovan,

Personally, I'd call the newspaper, and let them know, also, Medicare, and Medicaid, if shortcuts are being taken in medication, it needs to be reported. Period.

I am a touch confused, is the medical professional holding the medication stating they are doing so because the patient can't afford it? Is the hold being documented as such? 

In my work, I have often referred people to http://www.needymeds.org/ and have had much success.

Janesta

(sorry I flaked on the conversation back in February... there was a death in the family,  I had to go to Boise for a month, and had no net access)

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Mr. Hansen,
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>To which authority do you suggest I report these unethical but lawful actions to? Do I call the police to report a non-crime? 
>Do I call an EMT, the fire department, the consumer protection agency? Or perhaps Batman and Robin? Maybe Mr. Wayne's utility belt has a pharmacology kit that dispenses prescription medications? He can swing from roof top to roof top of nursing homes administering life enhancing prescriptions to little old ladies denied by their insurance companies. 
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>I have spent the better part of the last 15 years doing all I can for persons with disabilities, in advanced age, and the economically disadvantaged. I am sorry that is not enough for you Mr. Hansen. If I knew how to do more, I certainly would try. Aside from registering as a member of the Idaho Republican Party, please tell me what you are doing for them lately that I should be doing too?
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>Donovan J. Arnold
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>From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com> 
>Cc: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>; Moscow Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 12:43 PM 
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>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Something you need to know
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>Sue -
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>I am NOT encouraging Mr. Arnold to file a by-name complaint.  I (very much) respect people's privacy.
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>I am merely suggesting that if these ethical problems, mentioned by Mr. Arnold, exist and persist, he should shine the light of day on them by via the media or by reporting them to the authorities.  This can be accomplished without mentioning patients' names.
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>Sitting on one's butt, doing nothing, accomplishes just that . , , NOTHING!
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>Seeya round town, Moscow.
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>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
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>"If not us, who?
>If not now, when?"
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>- Unknown
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>On May 2, 2012, at 11:18, "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com> wrote:
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>Hey there.  HIPPA is about more than losing ones job.  Folks who work in the medical community are not only violating the law but violating the ethics of their chosen profession when they discuss medical conditions of their patients.  Donovan, you are right to withhold that information, but what you have written is important nonetheless.  I am my daughter’s guardian so I can release her information, and I can tell you, despite the fact she is on Medicaid and to this point has received most of her medications at no cost or with a small co-pay, she has a pharmaceutical drug bill every month.  I worry each time I open the envelope she’ll have lost something else.  She is uninsurable... and in the past year she has lost state support for counseling, vision, hearing aids, dental (yes, it has been restored but I can’t find a local dentist who will accept it,) and we have now been told she will be losing support for job coaching which has kept her
 employed for the past fifteen years.  Our three legislators fought a valiant fight for her during the past session when her budget was cut by more than 30%, and were told she wouldn’t be losing any more benefits.  That is proving to be not true.  
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>>Register as a Republican?  Not now, not ever.  
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>>Sue H.  
>>From: Tom Hansen 
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 7:45 AM
>>To: Donovan Arnold 
>>Cc: Moscow Vision2020 
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Something you need to know
>>Let me see if I have this right . . .
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>>I am being deceitful and critically crippling my integrity by voting Republican in this year's primary.  But you (Donovan Arnold) are sanctified for not reporting to proper authorities, or at least the media, that you have been instructed to withhold medications from residents of hospices, nursing homes, and assisted-care facilities BECAUSE YOU ARE AFRAID OF LOSING YOUR JOB ? ?
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>>Here is my suggestion:  Grow an EFFING pair ! !
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>>Jeesh!
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>>Seeya round town, Moscow.
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>>Tom Hansen
>>Moscow, Idaho
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>>"If not us, who?
>>If not now, when?"
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>>- Unknown
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>>On May 1, 2012, at 7:25, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>I see it everyday at my job. We are told to HOLD medications for that reason. But sorry, HIPPA prevents me from sharing personal information about any person. Ask any person that assists in medication distribution at a nursing or assisted living facility. Or you can call a big pharmacy and ask a pharmacist if they ever cut medications off from people that have fallen behind on payments or their insurance agencies stop paying them. 
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>>>Donovan Arnold
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>>>From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> 
>>>Cc: Moscow Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:02 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Something you need to know
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>>>Mr. Arnold - 
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>>>Do you have ANY evidence to support your claim? 
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>>>Seeya round town, Moscow.
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>>>Tom Hansen
>>>Moscow, Idaho
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>>>"If not us, who?
>>>If not now, when?"
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>>>- Unknown
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>>>On May 1, 2012, at 6:43, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>I just thought I would let you all know, if you didn't know already, that people living in nursing and assisted living homes are cut off from medications they need to live or have a normal life because they don't have the money to pay. It is really f**king barbaric. But are government allows it. To me there could be nothing Christian about a country that cuts off medications needed by little 90 year old ladies and men that costs only a few cents to manufacture. Don't count on having your needs met when you are old and unable to take care of yourself anymore if our health care system doesn't change drastically and soon. There is a good possibility that you will be treated as trash once your productive years are gone and you don't put crisp $100 bills in some greedy bastard's pockets. 
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