[Vision2020] Posturing Ennui: Deja Vu All Over Again
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 28 20:18:50 PDT 2012
Evil, huh. You give these guys too much power. Try acceptance,
tolerance, and dialogue. If you think Christ Church is evil, then you
have no clue what evil really is.
Paul
On 03/28/2012 04:17 PM, Art Deco wrote:
> Didn't Edmund Burke write:
>
>
> ‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men
> [and women] do nothing’
>
>
> Rose and her friends are obviously of the Edmund Burke school of
> thought and action. Rumelhart not.
>
> But we nknew that when Rumelhart failed to respond to the questions
> about the likelihood of serial pedophile Steven Sitler future
> behavior. Rumelhart is a bystander in the quest for a better, more
> just world. He fits the mold that Cultmaster Douglas Wilson hopes
> that the majority of Moscow citizen's fit.
>
> w.
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com
> <mailto:keim153 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Love this quote, Rose! Why, you ask? Cuz if the pope REALLY was
> infallible the world would be flat and fascism WOULD be dead! The
> fact of the latter two negates the former. Makes me chuckle...
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Rosemary Huskey
> <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com <mailto:donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>>
> wrote:
>
> ...Of course you
>
> and anyone else is free to think the world is flat, the pope
> is infallible,
> and fascism is dead...Rose Huskey
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Rumelhart [mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com
> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:07 PM
> To: Ted Moffett
> Cc: Rosemary Huskey; thansen at moscow.com
> <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>; vision2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Posturing Ennui: Deja Vu All Over Again
>
>
> I'm still amazed that I can be called "basically disinterested
> in universal
> human rights" because I don't care what a person's opinion on
> antebellum
> slavery is. I didn't say that I don't care about the plight
> of slaves in
> that time frame, mind you, just that I don't care what someone
> else's
> opinion on the subject is. Do people here know or care what
> their grocer
> thinks about the Bataan Death March? Or what their hair
> stylist thinks
> about Nagasaki or Hiroshima?
>
> The doubly amazing part to me is that this can be directly
> attributed
> automatically to my ethnicity, gender, and economic level
> without causing an
> outrage on this list.
>
> For the record, I have this belief that people should be
> allowed to think
> what they want, believe what they want, and hold whatever
> opinions they want
> whether or not I agree with them. Crazy, I know.
>
> Paul
>
> On 03/28/2012 10:32 AM, Ted Moffett wrote:
> > There's no harm in repeating important points, indeed it is
> often
> > necessary, unavoidable, so this post is not meant as
> criticism of
> > anyone.
> >
> > When I read the recent March 2012 exchange under the subject
> heading
> > "Posturing Ennui" as indicated in the altered subject
> heading of this
> > post, I was amazed to recall that these three individuals
> (Tom, Paul,
> > Rose) in 2009 exchanged dialog where the exact same wording
> was used
> > about roughly the same subject, implying that being "white,
> male,
> > middle class" was an influence in one of the respondents
> views on how
> > to deal with racism or slavery or hate crimes:
> >
> >
> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2009-August/065757.html
> > [Vision2020] Officials Counter Racist Acts Rosemary
> donaldrose at
> > cpcinternet.com <http://cpcinternet.com> Sat Aug 22 16:50:32
> PDT 2009
> >
> > Tom is dead on to raise the alarm about this guy. Paul, your
> sense of
> > white, male, middle class entitlement is showing. I guess
> you don't
> > understand that silence is assent - or you don't care.
> > -----------------------
> > And in March 2012 in the post below:
> >
> > "I’m guessing that you are basically disinterested in
> universal human
> > rights because you are lucky enough to be born male, white,
> and middle
> class..."
> >
> > On 3/25/12, Rosemary Huskey<donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
> <mailto:donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> You have identified the nub of the problem, Paul when you
> write: “I
> >> don't particularly care what views a person holds about
> antebellum
> >> slavery, or who they think should be in charge of the
> finances in their
> marriage.”
> >>
> >> Why is antebellum slavery (and its unhappy, damning legacy)
> >> unimportant to you? Aren’t you appalled by a culture that
> frequently
> >> treated human beings with less regard than domestic farm
> animals?
> >> Don’t you find it obscene that anyone would glorify and
> defend the
> >> vicious, repulsive culture of the Old South? Is antebellum
> slavery
> >> outside your realm of interest because it was a historic
> rather than
> >> a contemporary event? If so, are you equally indifferent
> to modern
> >> slavery in parts of Africa, Saudi Arabia, and other Middle
> Eastern
> countries?
> >>
> >> Do recent hate crimes arouse a sense of outrage in you? Do
> you feel
> >> compassion for the victims? How do you feel about the
> murders of
> Matthew
> >> Shepherd or James Byrd? Is there a gaping hole where your
> conscience
> >> ought to be? Are you are aware that your posturing ennui
> gives tacit
> >> consent to the hate mongering antics of sociopaths?
> >>
> >> I’m guessing that you are basically disinterested in
> universal human
> >> rights because you are lucky enough to be born male, white, and
> >> middle class – all of which are unearned privilege. And,
> really, if
> >> you think the most damaging aspect of patriarchy is limited
> to who is
> >> in charge of family finance (the words “in charge” are
> particularly
> >> revealing, Paul) you are entirely, 100%, just plain old,
> ordinarily,
> >> wrong while concurrently demonstrating a profound ignorance
> about
> >> elements of successful relationships, marriage and/or
> partnerships.
> >>
> >> Rose Huskey
> >> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> <mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com>
> >> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> <mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com>]
> >> On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 11:07 AM
> >> To: Tom Hansen
> >> Cc: vision2020
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .
> >>
> >> This is a nice example of the intolerance I'm talking
> about. I don't
> >> particularly care what views a person holds about
> antebellum slavery,
> >> or who they think should be in charge of the finances in their
> >> marriage. I'll still sit down and have a beer with them.
> >>
> >> If the Intoleristas had instead been of the frame of mind
> of "sorry,
> >> we're not going to let you turn the Palouse into a
> theocracy, but
> >> we're still happy to have you as part of our community",
> then they
> >> might not have been so quick to accuse some of you of
> vandalism when
> >> they reported the incidents to the police. Go out of your
> way to
> >> make yourself someone's enemy, and they will think of you
> first when
> something like that happens to them.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> On 03/25/2012 04:37 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:
> >>
> >> Intoleristas
> >>
> >> (in tol er és ta), n.
> >>
> >> * A person holding anti-slavery sentiments
> >> * A committed feminist.
> >> * A supporter of the Constitution, human rights, and
> equality for all,
> >> regardless of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, economic
> status, or
> >> sexual orientation.
> >> * A person with a wholesome proclivity for outing shifty
> hypocrites,
> >> shameless liars, and sham historians.
> >> * A person who is neither intimidated nor silenced by
> right-wing,
> theocratic
> >> bullies, or their sycophantic toadies.
> >> * A person who wears the title proudly as a reminder
> that he/she is
> about
> >> the business of democracy.
> >>
> >> "It is not so much what we are as much as what we are about."
> >>
> >> A flash from the past . . .
> >>
> >> http://www.tomandrodna.com/sounds/Intoleristas_020405.mp3
> >>
> >> Who can forget . . .
> >>
> >> http://www.notonthepalouse.com/documents/Crouch_LMT_071506.pdf
> >>
> >> Let the whine flow . . .
> >>
> >> http://www.notonthepalouse.com/Wilson_MPDcomplaint_071506.pdf
> >> http://www.tomandrodna.com/stuff/Dickison_RecReq.jpg
> >>
> >> http://www.tomandrodna.com/writofmandate
> >> ----------------------
> >> There is, literally, loads and loads more, Mr. Rumelhart .
> . . like
> >> letters sent from the un-pastor to then-Governor Kempthorne and
> >> then-UI President White . . . Doug "Charlie Brown" Wilson's
> speech at
> >> the Public Civility Forum at the Hamilton Indoor Recreation
> Center a
> >> few years ago . . . the Great Christ Church Debate between the
> >> Un-Pastor and the Intoleristas' own Keely Mix on KRFP. I
> could go on and
> on and on and . . .
> >>
> >> I'll jus' leevya with His Whineyness' own words . . .
> >>
> >> http://www.tomandrodna.com/protest/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3
> >>
> >> Thanks for the promo, though.
> >>
> >> image.jpeg
> >> Seeya there, Moscow.
> >>
> >> Tom Hansen
> >>
> >> Wallace, Idaho
> >>
> >> "If not us, who?
> >>
> >> If not now, when?"
> >>
> >> - Unknown
>
>
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