[Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .

Sun Mar 25 12:54:53 PDT 2012

Bravo, Wayne.  

Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com

Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 11:08:11 -0700
From: art.deco.studios at gmail.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .

Let's see, whom should we tolerate?  Everyone?

How about paid hit-persons?  Should we tolerate them?

How about:

Meth makers, distributors, dealers?
Thieves? 
Murders?
Con artists?  
Pedophiles?

Crooked, self-serving politicians?

How about headmasters at private religious schools who commit statutory rape, blame it on the victim, strip her of awards,and  make a pariah of her?  How about the head of the religious cult that dictates what happens at that school who suppresses the facts from law enforcement?

How about those that advocate theocracy?  The dearth penalty for homosexuals? Second class citizenship for women?
Pastors that knowingly import suspected pedophiles into the community, and then place them in a family with vulnerable young children with the result that mare than one child in that family was sexually molested?

How about pastors that steal from church funds?

How about pastors that write about the supreme importance of marital fidelity, but are unable to walk the talk?
How about those that advocate slavery, even giving it a Biblical justification?  And those that dishonestly describe and praise Antebellum slavery as a wonderful thing to the slaves?

What about those who willfully flaunt laws, and then lie to and manipulate authorities to get away with it.
How about nice, gaga old religious pastors that take the side of the male abuser in cases of child molestation/spousal abuse?

What about cults/churches//religious movements who hold the Doctrine of Covenantal Dishonesty, where anything goes if, in their opinion, it forwards the purposes of some alleged God?
Etc?
Etc?

Paul, you may be comfortable with yourself tolerating some or all of the above, but I'm not with myself.

If a saw a child with a can of gasoline and a box of matches, I'd feel compelled to act to prevent a tragedy.  If I found that someone was operating a con, I'd feel compelled to act.

The fact is that each of us has a list, so to speak, of those things that we believe cause great harm to society, and to particular individuals.  Some of us fell compelled to act to ameliorate those harms, if possible.

With Cultmaster Douglas Wilson, constructive debate is not possible.  He knows it all, and has avowed that he never changes.

I once engaged constructively and secretly off-list with a high ranking member of the cult.  I do not know if I influenced him, but he left the cult.  It was clear before he left it that his changed positions were at odds with the Cultmaster's theocracy.  Another debate with another member resulted in the same.

In the film Collision, Wilson, in effect, admits that his beliefs are not defensible/justifiable under ordinary epistemology, but he holds them (or so he alleges) regardless.  Despite this, Wilson apodictically seeks to impose the behavioral strictures of those beliefs on everyone.  I do not care to be subject to such strictures, especially since they are based on ignorance, superstition, and delusion --and  in Wilson's case, huge ego-driven, lust for power and recognition delusions.  I do not believe anyone should be involuntarily subject to such strictures.  History is replete with horrid examples of what happens when religious strictures are forced upon a population by egomaniacs and megalomaniacs.

Wilson may, to many, be a charming, disarming person.  So was Ted Bundy.  Charm has nothing to do with the truth of a belief or its harmfulness or harmlessness, only with the ability to manipulate others into accepting that belief as truth.

Many of the cult congregants appear to be nice, likeable people.  I see many of them as victims.  But the fact remains they are allowing their money and personal support to be used to promote homophobia, theocracy, sexism, covenantal dishonesty, racism, unrealistic/freedom denying ethics/laws, etc.  I'm not going to help them get money to do this.  Nor am I going to reward such behavior in other ways.  I am going to discourage it to all.

Here is the tolerance that the cult can expect from me:  Freedom to express their ideas.  [I wish they'd do it more and more openly since they are such easy targets].  Once they express their beliefs and/or act on them, then all immunity for the harmfulness and absurdity of those beliefs ceases to exist.  In my opinion beliefs and corresponding actions based on superstitious and delusional religious dogma do not merit any kind of pass, especially when the results are harm.

In fact, despite your objections, I will continue to point out the absurdities, crimes, inflictions, etc of the cult.  Your objections serve to make it clear that I should do so even more vigorously in the future.  I have been putting off a research project about one aspect of the cult for some time due to the size of it; now you have motivated me to get on with it.

If you wish to learn about intolerance and the world view that Cultmaster Douglas Wilson wishes to impose, see just below.  I do not want to live in that kind of world, and I suspect many others fell the same way.  The way to prevent such things from happening is to speak out and act against them with rigor and vigor.

w.

>From Credenda/Agenda (Christ Church Cult
Official Organ), by Gregory Dickison [Comments added]:

 Your Eye Shall Not Pity

"The
civil magistrate is the minister of God to execute wrath on the wrongdoer (Rom. 13:4). God
has not left his civil minister without guidance on how to exercise his office.
The Scriptures set forth clear standards of judgment for many offenses. Capital
crimes, for example, include premeditated killing (murder), kidnapping,
sorcery, bestiality, adultery, homosexuality, and cursing one's parents..."

"In
contemporary American jurisprudence, none of these offenses is punishable by
death, with the occasional exception of murder. The magistrates have dispensed
with God's standards of justice. Some Christians believe this is an
improvement. They would be horrified to think that the "harsh"
penalties of the law should still be applied. Sometimes this is the result of
the mistaken belief that the Old Testament has no further application
after the advent of Christ. This is an exegetical problem. Too often, it is the
result of a sinful view of the criminal. This sin is called pity."

"If
your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of
your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you,
saying, "Let us go and serve other gods,". . . you shall not consent
to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him
or conceal him; but you shall surely kill him..."
[Comment:  Heresy:
Beware, ye not of the cult!]

"If two
men fight together, and the wife of one draws near to rescue her husband from
the hand of the one attacking him, and puts out the hand and seizes him by the
genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity her..."

God commands
the judge to evaluate the crime rather than the criminal. If the crime is one for which God requires death, then death must
be the punishment. Your eye shall not pity. Neither
is the repentance of the accused relevant to the imposition of the sentence.

"Thus, the
Bible teaches that pity is not an option where God has decided the matter. The
[civil] magistrate, God's minister, is to faithfully execute justice according
to God's standard, not man's... This means that we must return to an obedience
which confines pity within the bounds which God has established for us."

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

Intoleristas

(in tol er és ta), n.

A person holding anti-slavery sentimentsA committed feminist.

A supporter of the Constitution, human rights, and equality for all, regardless of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, economic status, or sexual orientation.

A person with a wholesome proclivity for outing shifty hypocrites, shameless liars, and sham historians.

A person who is neither intimidated nor silenced by right-wing, theocratic bullies, or their sycophantic toadies.

A person who wears the title proudly as a reminder that he/she is about the business of democracy.

"It is not so much what we are as much as what we are about."

A flash from the past . . . http://www.tomandrodna.com/sounds/Intoleristas_020405.mp3

 Who can forget . . .http://www.notonthepalouse.com/documents/Crouch_LMT_071506.pdf

 Let the whine flow . . .
http://www.notonthepalouse.com/Wilson_MPDcomplaint_071506.pdf

http://www.tomandrodna.com/stuff/Dickison_RecReq.jpg

http://www.tomandrodna.com/writofmandate

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There is, literally, loads and loads more, Mr. Rumelhart . . . like letters sent from the un-pastor to then-Governor Kempthorne and then-UI President White . . . Doug "Charlie Brown" Wilson's speech at the Public Civility Forum at the Hamilton Indoor Recreation Center a few years ago . . . the Great Christ Church Debate between the Un-Pastor and the Intoleristas' own Keely Mix on KRFP.  I could go on and on and on and . . .

I'll jus' leevya with His Whineyness' own words . . .
http://www.tomandrodna.com/protest/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3

Thanks for the promo, though.

Seeya there, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Wallace, Idaho
"If not us, who?
If not now, when?"
- Unknown

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