[Vision2020] Fwd: What if other cartoonists . . .

Mon Mar 19 11:39:28 PDT 2012

I forgot to add the Vision to my first reply.

Nick

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From: Nicholas Gier <ngier006 at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] What if other cartoonists . . .
To: Jay Borden <jborden at datawedge.com>

Hi Jay,

I've attached a picture of a fetus.  All women facing sonogram laws should
be shown this image as well.

I'm sure that this being has a beating heart and lots of brain waves. The
Bible also says that it is as soul (nephesh). Please tell me if it is wrong
to take its life.

Furthermore, it is clear that you have failed to distinguish between a
person and the biological category "human being." Only persons have a
serious moral right to life.

Try out the following puzzle that I always offered my students: "There are
persons who are not human beings, and human beings who are not persons."
The statement is true, and human zygotes are among the last beings.

I like to quote a lot of Catholic philosophers on this issue.  Until 1917
the church allowed abortions during the first trimester.  Now church
authorities say that the science of genetics forced them to change their
minds.

But all mammalian fetuses have unique genetic identities at conception. A
zygote that that twins becomes two persons but has the same biological
identity.  An egg that is cloned would produced millions of persons.
 Genetic identity is not personal identity and persons are not necessarily
biological entities.

Here is my favorite quote from the Catholic philosopher Jacques Maritain,
who was following St. Thomas Aquinas: "To admit that the human fetus
receives the intellectual soul from the moment of its conception,when
matter is in no way ready for it, sounds to me like a philosophical
absurdity. It is as absurd as to call a fertilized ovum a baby."

Yours for history, logic, reason, and science on the abortion issue,

Nick

On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Jay Borden <jborden at datawedge.com> wrote:

> As I’m witnessing the level of “smugness” from the progressive-left
> approach epic proportions… I’m still left with a feeling that there is an
> grain of truth coming from some of these “hare-brained” legislatures.****
>
> ** **
>
> I’m not sure the religious-right is the one to carry the torch.. but the
> message they are awkwardly trying to bring around is one of **shame**.****
>
> ** **
>
> We’ve lost an element of shame in the last generation of America… shame
> from making wrong decisions… shame from making bad choices… and without
> shame comes shielding/coddling/protecting from repercussions for ones
> actions and decisions.  ****
>
> ** **
>
> We’re now a “do what feels good” generation… you are your own person… a
> unique individual (just like everyone else)… everyone should get a trophy
> for mere participation, and no one should feel bad for not being an ACTUAL
> achiever.  (In fact, it’s the reverse… when a WINNER emerges, they are
> SHAMED for the assumption that they WON at the cost of someone else… but I
> digress)…****
>
> ** **
>
> It used to be following through on a bad idea carried its own social
> connotations.  Are you a woman sleeping around?  Yes… for shame.  (And, are
> you a guy who prides himself in bedding as many women as he can?  Yes…
> shame as well).  Didn’t plan accordingly and got pregnant?  SHAME.    ****
>
> ** **
>
> Getting an abortion because you want to erase that mistake?  Yes… it
> should be shamed.  And it should be uncomfortable… and it should carry the
> full gift of bureaucracy as can only be provided by our government.  ****
>
> ** **
>
> Abortion should be shamed.  And it should be a last resort.  And it should
> NOT be socially acceptable.  Having an abortion should be the LAST line of
> defense, not the first action of choice. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Is having an abortion killing a human being?  Yes, it is.   Does that mean
> under ZERO circumstances that an abortion should never happen?  No, I don’t
> believe so.  But the more push-back I see from a population that is against
> ANYTHING that would have a woman at least RE-THINK the decision (yes,
> RE-THINK IT AGAIN and AGAIN) before taking a human life… the more I see a
> population that has grown far too comfortable with the notion.****
>
> ** **
>
> Abortion should be a practice of EXTREMES… not something as commonplace as
> we have made it.****
>
> ** **
>
> It’s a tired cliché (from a movie, nonetheless, I know)… but it rings true
> to the core.  “With infinite power comes infinite responsibility”…. and
> women have been handed the keys to create life.  That’s a pretty big
> responsibility.    Is it is raw deal that women have been dealt a uterus?
> (Depends on who you listen to… the woman who think her rights supersede the
> ones of a child, or the woman who finds the joy in the sacrificing of
> child-rearing).  But it is the hand that nature has dealt our reproductive
> process… like it or not, it is what it is.****
>
> ** **
>
> But when people see women not taking responsibility for the power that
> they have been given, OTHERS step in and try to re-introduce the weight and
> the gravity of the decision behind taking another human life… and often its
> old white men in public office.  ****
>
> ** **
>
> How shameful that its these same old white men that have more interest in
> saving human life than the women going in and killing their children.****
>
> ** **
>
> With all of this talk about how SHOCKING it is that anyone would trample
> “women’s rights”… I find it shocking that no one is at least bringing up
> the LARGER issue of: “maybe we SHOULD be doing something to make killing a
> child just a little more difficult.”****
>
> ** **
>
> I’m waiting for some news story to pop up about a woman walking out of a
> clinic fresh after having an abortion, and walking right over to some
> anti-war demonstration, holding up a picket sign, and saying, “stop killing
> our sons and daughters!”****
>
> ** **
>
> I’m sure I’ll get all sorts of hate-mail from the “pro-choice” folks out
> there… and I’m sure I’ll be called “uneducated” and “stupid” and be accused
> of living in a tree, or whatever else the progressive left like to call
> people they can’t otherwise classify through logic or reason.   And I’m
> sure I’ll get more than a handful of people claiming that “I have no idea
> what it’s like having to be put in that position”…****
>
> ** **
>
> And… to that last point… they’re right.  But I don’t have to be a woman to
> know that killing an innocent child is wrong.****
>
> ** **
>
> And I realize I’m spitting in the wind when it comes to the general
> opinion of this crowd.  ****
>
> ** **
>
> With all of this outrage on how SHOCKED people seem to be on the issue of
> women’s rights… I can’t let it go much further without at least raising my
> hand and writing SOMETHING to the effect of “do you REALLY think that
> having an abortion should be as socially acceptable as it is?”****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Jay****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Hansen
> *Sent:* Monday, March 19, 2012 5:59 AM
> *To:* Moscow Vision 2020
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] What if other cartoonists . . .****
>
> ** **
>
> Good for Garry Trudeau. It kinda makes you wonder though . . . what would
> it look like if other newspaper cartoonists ran abortion stories? Hmmm . .
> . I wonder . . . what would that look like . . . *cue harp*****
>
> ** **
>
> Courtesy of the Blogs section of the Houston Press at:****
>
>
>
> http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2012/03/abortion_comics_peanuts_archie.php?print=true
>
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>
> Doonesbury****
>
> [image: image.jpeg]****
>
>
>
> ****
> Forget *Doonesbury*: What If Other Comic Strips Took on the Sonogram Bill?
> ****
>
> Some testicle-free newspapers got a bit nervous when Doonesbury creator
> Garry Trudeau incorporated a story arc about Texas's controversial
> "Sonogram Bill," which requires women seeking an abortion to undergo a
> trans-vaginal ultrasound at least 24 hours prior to the procedure. Doctors
> must also present audio of the fetus's heartbeat. The requirement may only
> be waived in a medical emergency; there are no exceptions for cases of rape.
> Making the bill even more weird is the proviso that neither party can be
> penalized if the woman "chooses not to receive the information," which
> apparently means that if the woman closes her eyes and covers her ears, she
> won't have to go to jail. How compassionate.
>
> A few papers pulled the comic for the week, opting to run older strips in
> its place. We applaud those who stood firm, and we applaud Trudeau -- never
> one to shy away from controversy -- for tackling this icky subject. We just
> wish more cartoonists would have done the same. But since they didn't, Hair
> Balls took it upon ourselves.
>
> ---------------****
>
> ** **
>
> Dilbert
>
> [image: image.jpeg]
>
> ---------------****
>
> ** **
>
> Mary Worth
>
> [image: image.jpeg]
>
> ---------------****
>
> ** **
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> Archie
>
> [image: image.jpeg]
>
> ---------------****
>
> ** **
>
> Family Circle
>
> [image: image.jpeg]
>
> ---------------****
>
> ** **
>
> Peanuts
>
> [image: image.jpeg]
>
> ---------------****
>
> ** **
>
> Apartment 3-G
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> [image: image.jpeg]
>
> ------------------------------****
>
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "If not us, who?
> If not now, when?"
>
> - Unknown
>
> ****
>
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