[Vision2020] So, This is What Being a Libertarian is All About . . .

[Paul Rumelhart]

Rand and Ron Paul *are* libertarians.  They just have their panties in a 
twist about this one particular issue.  I wish they'd learn to leave it 
alone while they are campaigning, though, because it opens them up to 
criticisms like this one that ignore their other views that actually 
*do* support small government and the protection of civil liberties.  
There isn't another Presidential contender, for example, that does more 
than pay lip-service to "small government" other than Ron Paul.  Every 
other candidate out there wants to expand Executive powers, Paul wants 
to reduce government down to the bare minimum allowed by the 
Constitution.  No other candidate is a bigger protector of civil 
liberties, either.  Yes, yes, I know, except that they want to take away 
the freedom of women to have the choice to have an abortion, blah, blah, 
blah.  That's exactly the point I'm trying to make, this one issue is 
gutting them right now.

The Pauls have just fallen into the same trap that most everyone else 
has fallen into; they have become distracted by an emotional issue that 
is a political smoke grenade.  If they would have set this issue aside, 
no matter how important they feel it is, and stuck to their other issues 
they would be much better off.  As it is, they have fallen into a trap 
in the same way that a bunch of ravenous dogs can be distracted by 
tossing some red meat at them. Trust me, the people throwing meat at the 
dogs know exactly what they are doing, and the dogs fall for it every time.

Paul

On 06/27/2012 08:00 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:
> Personally I'm not incensed. But the guy is NOT a libertarian. Someone
> who is fiscally conservative yet doesn't mind government interference
> in our private lives is not anti-government. He actually believes that
> the government can help solve problems, right?
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:54 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>> Tom
>> I doubt that you would be as incensed about similar actions done by liberals. They do it all the time. I don't like it regardless  of who does it. I would favor a law that says only amendments that are germane to the main bill can be added.
>> Roger
>> -----Original message-----
>> From: Tom Hansen thansen at moscow.com
>> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:07:49 -0700
>> To: Moscow Vision 2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: [Vision2020] So, This is What Being a Libertarian is All About . . .
>>
>>> Is this what the Libertarians' battle cry of "Less Government!" is all about?
>>>
>>> Courtesy of Outside the Beltway at:
>>>
>>> http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/rand-paul-trying-to-add-personhood-amendment-to-flood-insurance-bill/
>>>
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>>>
>>> Rand Paul Trying To Add “Personhood” Amendment To Flood Insurance Bill
>>>
>>> WASHINGTON — Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) moved this week to hold a noncontroversial flood insurance bill hostage until the Senate agrees that life begins at fertilization.
>>>
>>> The bill, which would financially boost the National Flood Insurance Program on the cusp of hurricane season, had been expected to pass easily in the Senate. But since Paul on Monday offered an unrelated “fetal personhood” amendment, which would give legal protections to fetuses from the moment of fertilization, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is threatening to halt progress on the legislation.
>>>
>>> “I’m told last night that one of our Republican senators wants to offer an amendment — listen to this one — wants to offer an amendment on when life begins,” Reid said on the Senate floor Tuesday. “I am not going to put up with that on flood insurance. I can be condemned by outside sources; my friends can say, ‘Let them have a vote on it.’ There will not be a vote on that on flood insurance We’ll either do flood insurance with the amendments that deal with flood insurance, or we won’t do it. We’ll have an extension”
>>>
>>> Reid has allowed Republicans to attach unrelated amendments to other important bills in the past few months. Most notably, he let the Senate vote on a contraception-related amendment, proposed by Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), to a transportation bill. But Reid called Paul’s measure “ridiculous” and “outlandish,” and asked Republicans to deal with him on “their side of the aisle.”
>>> Paul told reporters on Tuesday afternoon that he is “just trying to get a vote for people who elected me.”
>>>
>>> “Can you believe that they’re exasperated with me?” he said, responding to criticism of his attempt to attach the unrelated amendment. “If [Reid will] give me a freestanding vote, I’ll take a freestanding vote any time.”
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------
>>>
>>> Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-NV) response . . .
>>>
>>> “I am not going to put up with that on flood insurance.  I can be condemned by outside sources — my friends can say, ‘Let them have a vote on it.’ There will not be a vote on that on flood insurance. We’ll either do flood insurance with the amendments that deal with flood insurance, or we won’t do it. We’ll have an extension.”
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdw36CZSbeI
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>>
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>
>>> "If not us, who?
>>> If not now, when?"
>>>
>>> - Unknown
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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