[Vision2020] CNN Breaking News

Tue Jun 5 23:51:15 PDT 2012

" 'Self Preservation' would become the perfect excuse for those in power to do whatever they want, locking things down until we have no freedoms left." --Paul. R. 

Ahh, yes, the old slippery slope argument never fails to win over the always skeptical of everything crowd. Your argument works equally well with seat belts, Paul. 

First, they just strap you in for self preservation, then they use it to keep you in your seat, then write you tickets to raise money for the Policeman's Ball, then they hide behind billboards and shoot invisible lasers out of a gun to track how fast you are trying to get to work and home. Is everything, from seat belts to killing terrorists overseas an excuse for a government power grab, in your world Paul? 

Paul, the government isn't after more power, they already have it all. They aren't trying to steal your freedoms. You don't have any. 

Donovan J. Arnold
From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>; vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] CNN Breaking News

"Self Preservation" would become the perfect excuse for those in power to do whatever they want, locking things down until we have no freedoms left.  We would be safe from everything except for the government itself.  In theory, anyway.  In practice, we'd have more and more "security theater" that is designed to make you feel safe, but does little to actually help.  In the meantime, we'll have no freedoms left.

I'd rather we just manned the hell up and stopped whimpering like frightened puppies whenever someone mentions the word "terrorist".

Paul

On 06/05/2012 09:59 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote: 
Sunil,
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>I believe self preservation should be permissible under our Constitution and our laws.
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>Without self preservation laws would be rather pointless. I think that much is clear.
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>Don't you agree, self preservation should be permissible?
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>Donovan J. Arnold
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>From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>To: vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 10:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] CNN Breaking News
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>Donovan,
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>I think whatever we do should be permissible under our Constitution and our laws. 
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>I think that's clear.
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>Is that what you support?
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>Sunil
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>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 21:38:19 -0700
>From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] CNN Breaking News
>To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
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>Sunil,
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>Your position is not clearly stated in regards to what you think we should do about terrorists.
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>Is it your logic that we declare war and send troops to die in every country a terrorist can ride his camel into and pitch a tent? Or that we allow  these people to continue to terrorize and kill thousands of innocent people? 
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>Is there a third plausible solution the President and the entire world is missing that you can see, I mean besides we all hold hands and sing Kumbaya?
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>Donovan J. Arnold
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> 
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>From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>To: vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:51 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] CNN Breaking News
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>Yeah, Tom, those damn friggin' drones. You really think this story changes my mind? Really? 
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>How 'bout we don't do either? Huh, Tom? How 'bout we neither bomb a country we haven't declared war against, or send in troops? 
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>How's that for friggin' novel?
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>Huh?
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>And sure, we don't give a shit how many people we kill there, do we? No one's counting them, or at least reporting them here.
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>Oh, I forgot: Now that Obama's  the executioner in chief, it's all okay, right? It was only wrong when someone with an 'R' after his name was in charge?
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>http://www.thenation.com/article/168229/assassin-chief-oval-office
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>Sunil
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>From: thansen at moscow.com
>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:46:59 -0700
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] CNN Breaking News
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>Them dang drones, huh Sunil?
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>Kinda makes one wonder how many names would have been added to my weekly "Human Toll" posting had troops been sent on this mission instead of a drone, huh?
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>Seeya round town, Moscow.
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>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
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>"If not us, who?
>If not now, when?"
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>- Unknown
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>On Jun 5, 2012, at 10:32, "CNN Breaking News" <BreakingNews at mail.cnn.com> wrote:
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>Al Qaeda's No. 2 leader, Abu Yahya al-Libi, killed by drone strike in Pakistan, a U.S. official says. 
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