<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">" 'Self Preservation' would become the perfect excuse for those in power to do whatever they want, locking things down until we have no freedoms left." --Paul. R. <BR class=yui-cursor></SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto">Ahh, yes, the old slippery slope argument never fails to win over the always <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-1><SPAN>skeptical</SPAN></SPAN> of everything crowd. Your argument works equally well with seat belts, Paul. </div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto">First, they just strap you in for self preservation, then they use it to keep you in your seat, then write you tickets to raise money for the <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-2><SPAN>Policeman's</SPAN></SPAN> Ball, then they hide behind billboards and shoot <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-3><SPAN>invisible</SPAN></SPAN> lasers out of a gun to track how fast you are trying to get to work and home. Is everything, from seat belts to killing terrorists overseas an excuse for a <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-4><SPAN>government</SPAN></SPAN> power grab, in your world Paul? </div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto">Paul, the government isn't after more power, they already have it all. They aren't trying to steal your freedom<VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR>s. You don't have any. </div>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><BR>"Self Preservation" would become the perfect excuse for those in power to do whatever they want, locking things down until we have no freedoms left. We would be safe from everything except for the government itself. In theory, anyway. In practice, we'd have more and more "security theater" that is designed to make you feel safe, but does little to actually help. In the meantime, we'll have no freedoms left.<BR><BR>I'd rather we just manned the hell up and stopped whimpering like frightened puppies whenever someone mentions the word "terrorist".<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR><BR><BR>On 06/05/2012 09:59 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
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<DIV><SPAN>I believe self preservation should be permissible under our Constitution and our laws.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Without self preservation laws would be rather pointless. I think that much is clear.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Donovan,<BR><BR>I think whatever we do should be permissible under our Constitution and our laws. <BR><BR>I think that's clear.<BR><BR>Is that what you support?<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>
<DIV>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 21:38:19 -0700<BR>From: <A class=yiv1249082392moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] CNN Breaking News<BR>To: <A class=yiv1249082392moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</A>; <A class=yiv1249082392moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN>Your position is not clearly stated in regards to what you think we should do about terrorists.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Is it your logic that we declare war and send troops to die in every country a terrorist can ride his camel into and pitch a tent? Or that we allow these people to continue to terrorize and kill thousands of innocent people? </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Is there a third <SPAN id=yiv1249082392ecxmisspell-1><SPAN>plausible</SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN id=yiv1249082392ecxmisspell-2><SPAN>solution the President and the entire world is missing that you can see</SPAN></SPAN>, I mean besides we all hold hands and sing K<SPAN id=yiv1249082392ecxmisspell-3><SPAN id=yiv1249082392ecxmisspell-1 class=yiv1249082392mark><SPAN id=yiv1249082392misspell-6 class=yiv1249082392mark>umbaya</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>?</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Sunil Ramalingam <A class=yiv1249082392moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><sunilramalingam@hotmail.com></A><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> vision 2020 <A class=yiv1249082392moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></A> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:51 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Vision2020] CNN Breaking News<BR></FONT></DIV><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Yeah, Tom, those damn <SPAN id=yiv1249082392ecxmisspell-4 class=yiv1249082392mark><SPAN id=yiv1249082392misspell-9 class=yiv1249082392mark>friggin</SPAN></SPAN>' drones. You really think this story changes my mind? Really? <BR><BR>How 'bout we don't do either? Huh, Tom? How 'bout we neither bomb a country we haven't declared war against, or send in troops? <BR><BR>How's that for <SPAN id=yiv1249082392ecxmisspell-5 class=yiv1249082392mark><SPAN id=yiv1249082392misspell-10 class=yiv1249082392mark>friggin</SPAN></SPAN>' novel?<BR><BR>Huh?<BR><BR>And sure, we don't give a shit how many people we kill there, do we? No <SPAN id=yiv1249082392ecxmisspell-6 class=yiv1249082392mark><SPAN id=yiv1249082392misspell-11 class=yiv1249082392mark>one's</SPAN></SPAN> counting them, or at least reporting them here.<BR><BR>Oh, I forgot: Now that <SPAN id=yiv1249082392ecxmisspell-7 class=yiv1249082392mark><SPAN id=yiv1249082392misspell-12
class=yiv1249082392mark>Obama's</SPAN></SPAN> the executioner in chief, it's all okay, right? It was only wrong when someone with an 'R' after his name was in charge?<BR><BR>http://www.thenation.com/article/168229/assassin-chief-oval-office<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Them dang drones, huh Sunil?</DIV>
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<DIV>Kinda makes one wonder how many names would have been added to my weekly "Human Toll" posting had troops been sent on this mission instead of a drone, huh?<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN id=yiv1249082392ecxmisspell-10 class=yiv1249082392mark><SPAN id=yiv1249082392misspell-15 class=yiv1249082392mark>Seeya</SPAN></SPAN> round town, Moscow.</DIV>
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