[Vision2020] About Evidence

[lfalen]

Thanks Scott, my sentiments exactly.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Scott Dredge scooterd408 at hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:25:50 -0700
To: chasuk at gmail.com,  donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] About Evidence

> 
> Chas wrote:
> > Speaking as an atheist, I don't need belief in God or gods to live a moral life.
> I wholeheartedly agree Chas (if that matters at all).  Some of the of most unethical people I've met in my life have also been the most outspokenly religious.  My guess is that for some of these folks, they feel they have a 'get out of jail' free card asking for / receiving forgiveness from God to engage in the most unethical behavior that they can get away with.  On this flip side, some of the most ethical people I've known are self-described atheist or agnostic and they have a strong sense of right and wrong.
> 
> Chas also wrote:
> > Atheism is the lack of belief in deity, nothing more, nothing less.
> Correct - in it's purest form.  And then you have the insecure types of Atheists where the mere mention of 'God' makes their skin crawl and they feel that they need to remove 'In God We Trust' from US currency and remove 'One Nation Under God' from the Pledge of Allegiance.  These are the types of Atheists who give Atheism a bad name in my very humble opinion.
> 
> -Scott
> 
> 
> > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:06:13 -0700
> > From: chasuk at gmail.com
> > To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] About Evidence
> > 
> > Speaking as an atheist, I don't need belief in God or gods to live a moral life.
> > 
> > Atheism is the lack of belief in deity, nothing more, nothing less.
> > 
> > As for the Einstein quote, Einstein also wrote this:
> > 
> > "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product
> > of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still
> > primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No
> > interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
> > 
> > And of his own Jewishness he wrote:
> > 
> > "For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the
> > most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly
> > belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no
> > different quality for me than all other people. As far as my
> > experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although
> > they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power.
> > Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."
> > 
> > Chas
> > 
> > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Donovan Arnold
> > <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > "Some beliefs provide motivation to fly jets into tall buildings, and some
> > > convince parents to withhold medication to sick children. Some beliefs
> > > promote misogyny, racism, and homophobia."
> > >
> > > And atheism teaches us none of it is wrong, as there is no God, just
> > > science.
> > >
> > > "Science without religion is lame"--Albert Einstein.
> > >
> > > Donovan J. Arnold
> > >
> > > From: Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>
> > > To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> > > Cc: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:28 PM
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] About Evidence
> > >
> > > There are not 7 billion different belief systems, or anywhere near
> > > that number. At best, there are a half dozen, regurgitated and
> > > recapitulated into a fistful of semi-unique varieties. And some
> > > beliefs are harmful. Some beliefs provide motivation to fly jets into
> > > tall buildings, and some convince parents to withhold medication to
> > > sick children. Some beliefs promote misogyny, racism, and homophobia.
> > > Not all beliefs are equal.
> > >
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