[Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic eruptions could cool climate

[Art Deco]

Self-interest is undoubtedly pervasive.

However, perhaps humankind would be more successful and happy following
Aristotle's advice:  Moderation in all things.

w.

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>wrote:

>  Altruism exists, I just found it seemingly inconsistent that Donovan was
> belly aching about too much greed in the world on one thread and then in a
> separate thread bemoaning about Obamacare's negative affect on his own
> wallet and him not getting anything in return from it.  In some cases and
> unfortunately, greed can produce some very negative results.  In other
> cases, it can be leveraged into positive results.
>
> In short, 'The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed - for lack of a
> better word - is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts
> through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all
> of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the
> upward surge of mankind.' - Gordon Gekko
>
> :-)
>
> -Scott
>
> ------------------------------
> From: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm
> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com;
> art.deco.studios at gmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic
> eruptions could cool climate
> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 01:24:54 -0700
>
>
> In part, Scott wrote:
>
> “You can call them greedy and selfish and what not, but it is human
> nature to care more about your and your families needs rather than
> sacrificing your money for the supposed good of *everyone* else.  And
> calling them greedy and selfish isn't going change anything one iota.”
>
>
>
> Ahh, clearly Scott has more of an Hobbesian perspective than do those who
> value and practice altruism.  Fortunately for the world, neuroscientists
> have shown that altruism actually exists – at least in some of us -- and
> that posterior superior temporal cortex functions differently in some
> people than in others, else humanity would be doomed, IMHO.  Imagine where
> humanity would be were it not for altruism!
>
>
>
> It’s pretty convenient, though, and somewhat self-serving, it seems to me,
> to try to present greed and selfishness as simply “human nature” rather
> discussing altruism as something to strive for for the betterment of
> individuals and the human race . . . as something that *absolutely* is
> just as much “human nature” as some argue are selfishness and greed.
>
>
>
> I don’t dispute that too many people, particularly in capitalistic
> societies, are motivated by personal greed & selfishness; what I reject is
> some notion that greed & selfishness are inevitable consequences of the
> human condition and should be accepted . . . and acceptable.
>
>
>
>
>
> JMHO,
>
> Saundra
>
> Moscow, ID
>
>
>
> Shall we make a new rule of life from tonight:  always try to be a little
> kinder than necessary.
>
> ~ Sir James M. Barrie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Dredge
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:19 PM
> *To:* donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; art.deco.studios at gmail.com; viz
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic
> eruptions could cool climate
>
>
>
> <The reality is, there is no incentive, and nobody considers it their
> problem. And until it is personally their problem they won't do anything
> about it.>
>
> I agree - that is the reality with this (and most other things).  I also
> agree that turning it into an economic problem for those causing it was
> resolve it.  That's the tough hurdle to overcome and that's why people are
> fighting it so much because costing them money causes them immediate pain
> whereas global warming - at most - might cause them discomfort when and
> only when they're outside of their own climate controlled environment.
>
> You can call them greedy and selfish and what not, but it is human nature
> to care more about your and your families needs rather than sacrificing
> your money for the supposed good of *everyone* else.  And calling them
> greedy and selfish isn't going change anything one iota.
>
> -Scott
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:22:40 -0700
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic
> eruptions could cool climate
> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; art.deco.studios at gmail.com;
> vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> If you want to solve the global warming problem turn it into an
> economic problem for those causing it and it will resolve itself.
>
>
>
> When slaves were dying in huge numbers on the ships brought over from
> Africa, they reduced the number of deaths by turning it into an economic
> problem. Instead of paying the shippers for every slave that walked on to
> the ship in Africa, they paid them for only the slaves that were able to
> walk off the ship in America. Suddenly, the death rate of slaves brought
> over dropped in half. No other regulations regarding treatment of slaves
> was nearly as successful in reducing deaths of slaves in transport.
>
>
>
> Reduce tax breaks or withhold federal aid to areas where the air quality
> drops. Because it is an economic problem, solutions would be found by every
> community to reduce air pollution without any other regulations or laws to
> meet. Place a pollution tariff on countries that don't meet air quality
> standards, and people in China would soon be able to breath.
>
>
>
> The reality is, there is no incentive, and nobody considers it their
> problem. And until it is personally their problem they won't do anything
> about it.
>
>
>
> Donovan J. Arnold
>
>
>
> *From:* Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> *To:* donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; art.deco.studios at gmail.com; viz <
> vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2012 12:53 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic
> eruptions could cool climate
>
>
>
> Correct - and ridding the Earth of the human parasites that are infesting
> it might be in the best interest of the planet as it seemed to be doing
> just fine before human beings arrived on the scene.  So it all depends on
> what your end goal is and I'm assuming (but correct me if I'm wrong) that
> you want a healthy balance for the planet and most of the life forms
> presently inhabiting it. There may not be a perfect solution to achieve
> this so it my be wise to approach this as a 'best effort' along with all
> the necessary trade offs required to achieve this end goal.
>
> -Scott
>
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:42:53 -0700
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic
> eruptions could cool climate
> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; art.deco.studios at gmail.com;
> vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> Well if we are just looking for something that will put us out of our
> misery quickly, death would accomplish this task most efficiently.
>
>
>
> *From:* Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> *To:* art.deco.studios at gmail.com; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic
> eruptions could cool climate
>
>
>
> Yes - if cooling the climate is healthier for the planet versus acid
> rain.  Pick your poison depending on whether you want something that puts
> you out of your misery as soon as possible or not.
>
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:02:53 -0700
> From: art.deco.studios at gmail.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic
> eruptions could cool climate
>
> Let's see.
>
> In order to try to produce a cooler climate, we're going to produce more
> acid rain?
>
> w.
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.canada.com/technology/Researchers+aerosols+from+small+volcanic+eruptions+could+cool/6889603/story.html
>
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