Self-interest is undoubtedly pervasive.<br><br>However, perhaps humankind would be more successful and happy following Aristotle's advice: Moderation in all things.<br><br>w.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Scott Dredge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Altruism exists, I just found it seemingly inconsistent that Donovan was belly aching about too much greed in the world on one thread and then in a separate thread bemoaning about Obamacare's negative affect on his own wallet and him not getting anything in return from it. In some cases and unfortunately, greed can produce some very negative results. In other cases, it can be leveraged into positive results.<br>
<br>In short, 'The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed - for lack of a better
word - is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts
through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in
all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has
marked the upward surge of mankind.' - Gordon Gekko<br><br>:-)<br><br>-Scott<br><br><div><div></div><hr>From: <a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>; <a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><div class="im">
<br>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic eruptions could cool climate<br></div>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 01:24:54 -0700<div><div class="h5"><br><br><div><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In part, Scott wrote:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">“</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">You can call them greedy and selfish and what not, but it is human nature to care more about your and your families needs rather than sacrificing your money for the supposed good of *everyone* else. And calling them greedy and selfish isn't going change anything one iota.”</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Ahh, clearly Scott has more of an Hobbesian perspective than do those who value and practice altruism. Fortunately for the world, neuroscientists have shown that altruism actually exists – at least in some of us -- and that posterior superior temporal cortex functions differently in some people than in others, else humanity would be doomed, IMHO. Imagine where humanity would be were it not for altruism!</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It’s pretty convenient, though, and somewhat self-serving, it seems to me, to try to present greed and selfishness as simply “human nature” rather discussing altruism as something to strive for for the betterment of individuals and the human race . . . as something that <b>absolutely</b> is just as much “human nature” as some argue are selfishness and greed.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I don’t dispute that too many people, particularly in capitalistic societies, are motivated by personal greed & selfishness; what I reject is some notion that greed & selfishness are inevitable consequences of the human condition and should be accepted . . . and acceptable.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">JMHO,</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Saundra</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Moscow, ID</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Shall we make a new rule of life from tonight: always try to be a little kinder than necessary.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">~ Sir James M. Barrie</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Dredge<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>; <a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>; viz<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic eruptions could cool climate</span></p></div></div><p> </p><div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><The reality is, there is no incentive, and nobody considers it their problem. And until it is personally their problem they won't do anything about it.><br>
<br>I agree - that is the reality with this (and most other things). I also agree that turning it into an economic problem for those causing it was resolve it. That's the tough hurdle to overcome and that's why people are fighting it so much because costing them money causes them immediate pain whereas global warming - at most - might cause them discomfort when and only when they're outside of their own climate controlled environment.<br>
<br>You can call them greedy and selfish and what not, but it is human nature to care more about your and your families needs rather than sacrificing your money for the supposed good of *everyone* else. And calling them greedy and selfish isn't going change anything one iota.<br>
<br>-Scott<br><br></span></p><div><div style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:22:40 -0700<br>From: <a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic eruptions could cool climate<br>To: <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a></span></p>
<div><div><p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">If you want to solve the global warming problem turn it into an economic problem for those causing it and it will resolve itself. </span></p>
</div><div><p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p></div><div><p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">When slaves were dying in huge numbers on the ships brought over from Africa, they reduced the number of deaths by turning it into an economic problem. Instead of paying the shippers for every slave that walked on to the ship in Africa, they paid them for only the slaves that were able to walk off the ship in America. Suddenly, the death rate of slaves brought over dropped in half. No other regulations regarding treatment of slaves was nearly as successful in reducing deaths of slaves in transport. </span></p>
</div><div><p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p></div><div><p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Reduce tax breaks or withhold federal aid to areas where the air quality drops. Because it is an economic problem, solutions would be found by every community to reduce air pollution without any other regulations or laws to meet. Place a pollution tariff on countries that don't meet air quality standards, and people in China would soon be able to breath.</span></p>
</div><div><p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p></div><div><p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">The reality is, there is no incentive, and nobody considers it their problem. And until it is personally their problem they won't do anything about it. </span></p>
</div><div><p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p></div><div><p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Donovan J. Arnold</span></p>
</div><div><p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p></div><div><div><div><p style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Scott Dredge <<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>; <a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>; viz <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 11, 2012 12:53 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic eruptions could cool climate</span><span style></span></p></div><p style="background:white"><span style> </span></p>
<div><div><div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style>Correct - and ridding the Earth of the human parasites that are infesting it might be in the best interest of the planet as it seemed to be doing just fine before human beings arrived on the scene. So it all depends on what your end goal is and I'm assuming (but correct me if I'm wrong) that you want a healthy balance for the planet and most of the life forms presently inhabiting it. There may not be a perfect solution to achieve this so it my be wise to approach this as a 'best effort' along with all the necessary trade offs required to achieve this end goal.<br>
<br>-Scott</span></p><div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:42:53 -0700<br>From: <a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic eruptions could cool climate<br>To: <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a></span></p>
<div><div><p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Well if we are just looking for something that will put us out of our misery quickly, death would accomplish this task most efficiently. </span></p>
</div><div><p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p></div><div><div><div><p style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Scott Dredge <<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>; viz <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:06 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic eruptions could cool climate</span><span style></span></p></div><p style="background:white"><span style> </span></p><div><div><div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white">
<span style>Yes - if cooling the climate is healthier for the planet versus acid rain. Pick your poison depending on whether you want something that puts you out of your misery as soon as possible or not.</span></p><div>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:02:53 -0700<br>From: <a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic eruptions could cool climate<br><br>Let's see.<br><br>In order to try to produce a cooler climate, we're going to produce more acid rain?<br><br>
w.</span></p><div><p style="background:white"><span style>On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Scott Dredge <<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></p><div><div>
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