[Vision2020] The Animal Farmer's Market --Proposed Market Policies
Art Deco
art.deco.studios at gmail.com
Fri Feb 17 13:18:30 PST 2012
Saundra,
The gist of your argument is that the problems are caused by irresponsible
dog owners. I don't go Farmer's Market as much as I used to, but when I've
been there, I've seen very little dog problems and a great deal of
enjoyment of the dogs. I agree that the problems I've seen have been caused
by clueless or inconsiderate dog owners.
If that is the case, why punish/deprive the responsible owner and those who
enjoy seeing and interacting with the dogs?
Regulations can be crafted to identify the irresponsible parties and to
take corrective action; if corrective actions fail, 86 their particular
dogs from the market. If owners don't pick up their dog shit, 86 the
owners while with their dogs from the market also.
School teachers sometimes punish everyone a the class for the wrong doing
of some known or unknown child. I have always found this unjust and
unjustifiable. Punish the guilty, not the innocent. Recent discussions
about Farmer's market suggest that the city is heading for over/poorly
designed regulation/changes, a sure way to emasculate a thriving, healthy,
beneficial community activity.
w.
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>wrote:
> Even though I, too, love dogs, I completely disagree with Wayne on this:
> other than service animals, I don’t believe dogs belong at the Farmer’s
> Market anymore. Actually, I suppose a more fair statement would be that
> some dog *owners* don’t belong at the Farmer’s Market, but since we can’t
> keep them out, we should be able to keep their dogs out.****
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> While we don’t frequent the Farmer’s Market as much as we used to (in
> part, due to the dogs), the Farmer’s Market seems to have the same problem
> with dogs the rest of Moscow has: too many people fail to leash *and/or*control their dogs, and to clean up after them.
> ****
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> Bluntly put, there’s nothing quite like getting some yummy food from a
> vendor & then noticing a terrible stench, only to find that you’ve stepped
> in a steaming pile of dog you-know-what. I’ve stepped in more of that at
> Farmer’s Market than I *ever* have at any parks in town, including the
> dog park! Perhaps those are the same owners who never clean up after their
> dogs anywhere . . . or maybe they just fail to notice what their dogs are
> doing in the crowd. Who know? But whatever the reason is, it’s flatly
> disgusting, not to mention completely unsanitary around food, particularly
> for the families who bring naturally small children whose hands & faces are
> naturally closer to the ground and who *do* belong at the Farmer’s Market.
> ****
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> Perhaps rather than banning dogs from Farmer’s Market, a better solution
> is to provide shoe cleaning stations so the rest of us have ways to take
> care of the problem for all those “wonderful and responsible” dog owners
> who pay no attention to their dogs crapping & pissing all over the place at
> the Market.****
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> And, just because I love dogs doesn’t mean that I love any dog who is
> decides to run & jump up on me . . . or to tie me up in its leash while its
> owner pays absolutely no attention to it. I can’t tell you the number of
> times I’ve seen both of those things happen from the same dogs over & over
> again on the same day! Sheesh!****
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> And then, of course, there are those dog owners who think their dogs are
> so wonderful they should be able to harass every other dog at the Farmer’s
> Market. I don’t blame the offended dogs for snapping at those annoying
> ones, but I also don’t think it’s fair for the nearby people to be bashed
> into & nearly knocked over – and in the cases of small children, actually
> knocked to the ground – when the harasser lunges back from the harassed
> snapper.****
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> In fairness, I’ve also seen a lot of dog owners who do keep their dogs
> leashed & under control, and I do enjoy seeing those dogs at Farmer’s
> Market or elsewhere around town.****
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> But, there are, IMO, far too many of the other kind, something that to me
> seemed to become a bigger issue as the Farmer’s Market became more
> successful.****
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> And, here’s another thing: the Farmer’s Market “community” has had ample
> opportunity to police itself with respect to misbehaving dogs & owners, and
> they’ve been pretty unsuccessful at it, either because people have just
> ignored the growing problem (which seems to be the case – 99% of people
> seem to just turn a blind eye) or because the irresponsible dog owners are
> . . . irresponsible! I tried to make helpful & informative comments a
> couple of times to “repeat offender” dog owners only to be ignored, or in
> one case, be told, “It’s not my problem you just hate dogs” rather than the
> owners simply taking responsibility. I have no idea what kind of dog
> owners these people are otherwise, but they certainly aren’t good Farmer’s
> Market “neighbors” & apparently have no interest in being good Farmer’s
> Market community members.****
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> I actually know quite a few people who no longer go to Farmer’s Market
> precisely *because of* those irresponsible dog owners & their dogs: why
> are they less important than those who think that dogs – and not people –
> are more important???****
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> Wayne wrote:****
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> “Stop trying to fuck it up!!!!”****
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> I’d feel a lot better had you been telling that to all the dog owners in
> recent years who *already* have successfully done just that, not only for
> the responsible dog owners & their dogs, but also for others who’ve been
> pretty much driven away from Farmer’s Market.****
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> All of that said, I really don’t have a “dog in that fight” since we only
> rarely go to the Farmer’s Market anymore. Perhaps a good compromise might
> be to have a few dates certain “dog friendly” Farmer’s Markets so that
> those who want to bring their dogs to Farmer’s Market – and those who enjoy
> having dogs at the Market – still have the opportunity while those of us
> who don’t appreciate dogs at the Market aren’t excluded from this great
> community resource?****
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> JMHO,****
>
> Saundra****
>
> Moscow, ID****
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> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.****
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> ~ Edmund Burke****
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> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Art Deco
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2012 10:09 AM
> *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] The Animal Farmer's Market --Proposed Market
> Policies****
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> I would never take my dog to Farmer's Market, For consideration for her,
> mainly.
>
> But I fail to understand to the real problem here, except intolerance.
> Have terrible incidents occurred? It doesn't take much effort to avoid
> getting too close to dogs if someone is afraid of them. Why take others
> freedom away for such a trivial thing? if a particular dog is a perpetual
> source of problems, a way can be found to deal with this.
>
> I enjoy seeing dogs at the market. It appears that many others, including
> most of the dogs, do also.
>
> What's next? A dress code? Banning babies (whose squalls are sometimes
> annoying, but no reason to ban them)? Banning out of county vendors?
> Censoring the lyrics of some of the entetainers?
>
> Farmer's Market has been a very successful community endeavor for may
> years. Stop trying to fuck it up!!!!
>
> w.
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>
> ****
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> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Donovan Arnold <
> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:****
>
> I think they should have a few times in the dogs daze of Summer where the
> Farmer's Market should be called The Animal Farmer's Market and allow
> people with animals to take them to the Downtown Farmer's Market. This way,
> the Farmer's Market can celebrate and embrace animals by including pet
> owners and their pets but still keep them separate from others on different
> days that have misgivings of sharing tight quarters with unknown animals
> and their children and allergies. Moscow has always been an inclusive
> community, and I think it should stay that way. Just my thoughts on the
> matter, anyways. ****
>
> ****
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> Donovan Arnold****
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> *From:* Stephanie Kalasz <skalasz at ci.moscow.id.us>
> *To:* "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2012 12:34 PM
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] PR - Proposed Market Policies - CORRECTED WEBLINKS
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> *PRESS RELEASE*****
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> *City Accepting Comments on Proposed Farmers Market Policies Regarding
> Animals in the Market and Friendship Square Space Allotment During Market
> Hours*****
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> *February 16, 2012 (Moscow, Idaho) – *The City of Moscow is accepting
> comments on the currently proposed Farmers Market Policies, located at
> www.ci.moscow.id.us/art/fm/market_feedback.aspx or available in hardcopy
> at the City Clerk’s office in City Hall, 206 E Third Street, suite 303. *
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> Policies regarding the Farmers Market were reviewed by the Administrative
> Committee on February 13, 2012 and forwarded to the City Council for
> consideration during their February 21 meeting with the exception of two
> proposals. Those proposals include policies entitled “Animals” – the
> proposed policy to limit the allowance of animals in the Market to service
> animals and “Promoters” – The process to manage the location used during
> Market hours for local arts, philanthropic, charitable, non-profit, social,
> and similar purposes to allow individuals and groups to share their message
> or opportunity. These two proposals will be considered by the
> Administrative Committee on February 27, 2012 at 4:30 p.m. in Council
> Chambers. ****
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> Those interested in providing comments regarding the two excluded
> proposals, “Animals” and “Promoters” to be considered by the Administrative
> Committee on February 27, may do so on the web at
> www.ci.moscow.id.us/art/fm/market_feedback.aspx or in writing to the City
> Clerk Stephanie Kalasz at skalasz at ci.moscow.id.us. ****
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> The City of Moscow has developed a web page on the City of Moscow website
> (items are also available in hardcopy at the City Clerk’s office in City
> Hall, 206 E Third Street, suite 303) to provide citizens with the
> opportunity to review and comment on the information and proposed policies
> including: ****
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> 1. Market Policies to be considered by City Council on February 21;
> excluding the proposals of “Animals” and “Promoters”;****
> 2. The proposed “Animals” and “Promoters” policies;****
> 3. A proposed map of the Farmers Market area that shows possible
> Friendship Square and Fountain Place spaces;****
> 4. An explanation of the legal basis for proposed Friendship Square
> space allotment.****
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> For more information regarding the Farmers Market and the proposed
> policies, please contact Arts Director Kathleen Burns at (208) 883-7036.
> For inquiries regarding the legal basis for the proposed Friendship Square
> space allotment, please contact City Attorney Randall Fife at (208)
> 883-7005.****
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