[Vision2020] Huh?
Dave
tiedye at turbonet.com
Mon Feb 13 13:36:33 PST 2012
Yeah, if the judge doesn't disallow any mention of that jury's right.
Which is usually the case.
Dave
On 02/12/2012 09:37 PM, Paul Rumelhart wrote:
>
> I would also like to add that juries have the ability to use
> discretion through jury nullification.
>
> Paul
>
> On 02/12/2012 12:19 PM, Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
>> Discretion runs through the system. Officers have the discretion to
>> charge or not charge those with whom they come into contact.
>>
>> Prosecutors have the discretion to dismiss, deal down, or proceed
>> with the charges. Then they have the discretion to recommend a
>> variety of sentences.
>>
>> Judges can apply discretion with their sentences, except where their
>> discretion has been taken away from them by legislatures.
>>
>> Think through what you guys are saying. You really want all laws
>> enforced, even those with which you disagree? So the laws against
>> fornication, adultery, sodomy, you want them applied? The 18 year-old
>> who has consensual sex with his underage girlfriend is a rapist,
>> right? Let's go after him. Or her, if it's turned around, only she's
>> a child molester not a rapist.
>>
>> Great thinking.
>>
>> Sunil
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: thansen at moscow.com
>> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:07:48 -0800
>> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; tiedye at turbonet.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
>>
>> Although I strongly favor, and encourage, legalizing marijuana, I
>> also expect the local authorities to enforce the law, even those laws
>> with which I disagree. Otherwise we live in a community of selective
>> law enforcement; much like the old saying goes . . .
>>
>> A law is only as strong as the people who enforce it!
>>
>> Seeya later, Moscow.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Post Falls, Idaho
>>
>> "If not us, who?
>> If not now, when?"
>>
>> - Unknown
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2012, at 10:45, Donovan Arnold
>> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com <mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Janesta,
>> I expect police officers to use due diligence and reasonable
>> discretion in the enforcement of the law. I expect them to use
>> their authority for the best possible outcome of all parties
>> involved. This was not done. The only harm these teenagers were
>> doing was to themselves, if any at all. Therefore, your analogy
>> of using alcoholwhile driving a car and the distribution of
>> firearms is a fallacious one. Further, the penalty and life long
>> consequences for a minor in possession of alcohol is far less
>> reaching than that of a drug charge.
>> Secondly, I think it an erroneous philosophy to expect and accept
>> all police officers to enforce all laws equally at all times.
>> What a horrible place any city would be if they did that. We
>> would all be in jail or broke from fines, or both.
>> Laws should be used to help people and society, not act like a
>> hammer smashing them. These teens cannot get a job now, they
>> cannot get grants or loans for college. They will be dependants
>> on their parents and society for survival for a long time, only
>> because they made the decision to leave their dorm room and smoke
>> a joint in their car. Are they deserving of that kind of
>> punishment? Police Officers that use this kind of power
>> unyieldingly are not serving the better interests of the public.
>> BTW, how are you doing Janesta, I have not seen or heard from you
>> in a while? Are you working? Are you taking the snow and cold
>> well? I hope this email finds you in good health and spirits.
>> Please take care of yourself.
>> Donovan Arnold
>>
>> *From:* Janesta <janesta at gmail.com <mailto:janesta at gmail.com>>
>> *To:* Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>> <mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>>
>> *Cc:* Dave <tiedye at turbonet.com <mailto:tiedye at turbonet.com>>;
>> vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 12, 2012 10:28 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
>>
>> Donovan,
>>
>> I to, am for the legalization of marijuana.
>>
>> If these ADULTS under the age of 21 were reeking of alcohol, and
>> selling pints of vodka from the trunk of their car, I imagine
>> they would have been arrested.
>>
>> If they were selling guns from the trunk of their car? Arrested.
>>
>> My point is this- Marijuana is still illegal, and until it is
>> legalized, I expect the police to arrest those breaking the law.
>>
>> Send me something to sign regarding the legalization of
>> marijuana. I'll be one of the first to sign.
>>
>> Janesta
>> Idaho Snow Bird
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Donovan Arnold
>> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>> <mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I think the actions of these police officers was destructive
>> to the community and unproductive in stopping marijuana
>> usage. They should have used this opportunity as a chance to
>> save three kids. Instead, they used the law to destroy the
>> lives of some kids and let whoever is peddling marijuana and
>> possibly other drugs to them and other kids to find more
>> victims. The University will lose about $120,000 in tuition
>> from these kids, the City probably just as much, and they
>> will be felons on welfare instead of being productive members
>> of society with a job. To me, as Sunil stated, this is a bad
>> drug policy.
>> Donovan Arnold
>>
>> *From:* Dave <tiedye at turbonet.com <mailto:tiedye at turbonet.com>>
>> *To:* vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com
>> <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:39 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
>>
>> A friend of mine was busted for "frequenting a place where
>> drugs are
>> used", in the public alley between John's Alley and the
>> Coop. No drugs
>> were found BTW, he tried to fight it and lost.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On 02/11/2012 07:52 AM, Moscow Cares wrote:
>> > Courtesy of the Public Records section of today's (February
>> 11, 2012) Moscow-Pullman Daily News.
>> >
>> > --------------------
>> >
>> > MOSCOW POLICE
>> >
>> > Thursday
>> >
>> > 11:41 p.m. - An 18-year-old Moscow woman was arrested in
>> the parking lot of the University of Idaho's Wallace Complex
>> for possession of marijuana with intent to deliver after
>> officers on foot patrol allegedly observed her and two men
>> getting into a vehicle and detecting the odor of marijuana.
>> Police seized marijuana, $240, a scale, rolling papers and a
>> knife. The 19-year-old Moscow men were cited for frequenting
>> a place where drugs are used.
>> >
>> > --------------------
>> >
>> > So, the "parking lot of the University of Idaho's Wallace
>> Complex" is "a place where drugs are used."
>> >
>> > If the police want to apprehend true frequenters of places
>> where drugs are used, might I suggest the next Tea Party
>> caucus? I mean, take a look at the Tea Party membership, one
>> of which sits on our city council. Do you really think they
>> got that way without drugs?
>> >
>> > Seeya later, Moscow.
>> >
>> > Tom Hansen
>> > Post Falls, Idaho
>> >
>> > "If not us, who?
>> > If not now, when?"
>> >
>> > - Unknown
>> >
>> >
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