[Vision2020] Huh?

Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Sun Feb 12 21:37:33 PST 2012


I would also like to add that juries have the ability to use discretion 
through jury nullification.

Paul

On 02/12/2012 12:19 PM, Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
> Discretion runs through the system. Officers have the discretion to 
> charge or not charge those with whom they come into contact.
>
> Prosecutors have the discretion to dismiss, deal down, or proceed with 
> the charges. Then they have the discretion to recommend a variety of 
> sentences.
>
> Judges can apply discretion with their sentences, except where their 
> discretion has been taken away from them by legislatures.
>
> Think through what you guys are saying. You really want all laws 
> enforced, even those with which you disagree? So the laws against 
> fornication, adultery, sodomy, you want them applied? The 18 year-old 
> who has consensual sex with his underage girlfriend is a rapist, 
> right? Let's go after him. Or her, if it's turned around, only she's a 
> child molester not a rapist.
>
> Great thinking.
>
> Sunil
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:07:48 -0800
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; tiedye at turbonet.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
>
> Although I strongly favor, and encourage, legalizing marijuana, I also 
> expect the local authorities to enforce the law, even those laws with 
> which I disagree.  Otherwise we live in a community of selective law 
> enforcement; much like the old saying goes . . .
>
> A law is only as strong as the people who enforce it!
>
> Seeya later, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Post Falls, Idaho
>
> "If not us, who?
> If not now, when?"
>
> - Unknown
>
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2012, at 10:45, Donovan Arnold 
> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com <mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Janesta,
>     I expect police officers to use due diligence and reasonable
>     discretion in the enforcement of the law. I expect them to use
>     their authority for the best possible outcome of all parties
>     involved. This was not done. The only harm these teenagers were
>     doing was to themselves, if any at all. Therefore, your analogy of
>     using alcoholwhile driving a car and the distribution of firearms
>     is a fallacious one. Further, the penalty and life long
>     consequences for a minor in possession of alcohol is far less
>     reaching than that of a drug charge.
>     Secondly, I think it an erroneous philosophy to expect and accept
>     all police officers to enforce all laws equally at all times. What
>     a horrible place any city would be if they did that. We would all
>     be in jail or broke from fines, or both.
>     Laws should be used to help people and society, not act like a
>     hammer smashing them. These teens cannot get a job now, they
>     cannot get grants or loans for college. They will be dependants on
>     their parents and society for survival for a long time, only
>     because they made the decision to leave their dorm room and smoke
>     a joint in their car. Are they deserving of that kind of
>     punishment? Police Officers that use this kind of power
>     unyieldingly are not serving the better interests of the public.
>     BTW, how are you doing Janesta, I have not seen or heard from you
>     in a while? Are you working? Are you taking the snow and cold
>     well? I hope this email finds you in good health and spirits.
>     Please take care of yourself.
>     Donovan Arnold
>
>     *From:* Janesta <janesta at gmail.com <mailto:janesta at gmail.com>>
>     *To:* Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>     <mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>>
>     *Cc:* Dave <tiedye at turbonet.com <mailto:tiedye at turbonet.com>>;
>     vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, February 12, 2012 10:28 AM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
>
>     Donovan,
>
>     I to, am for the legalization of marijuana.
>
>     If these ADULTS under the age of 21 were reeking of alcohol, and
>     selling pints of vodka from the trunk of their car, I imagine they
>     would have been arrested.
>
>     If they were selling guns from the trunk of their car? Arrested.
>
>     My point is this- Marijuana is still illegal, and until it is
>     legalized, I expect the police to arrest those breaking the law.
>
>     Send me something to sign regarding the legalization of marijuana.
>     I'll be one of the first to sign.
>
>     Janesta
>     Idaho Snow Bird
>
>     On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Donovan Arnold
>     <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>     <mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>         I think the actions of these police officers was destructive
>         to the community and unproductive in stopping marijuana usage.
>         They should have used this opportunity as a chance to save
>         three kids. Instead, they used the law to destroy the lives of
>         some kids and let whoever is peddling marijuana and possibly
>         other drugs to them and other kids to find more victims. The
>         University will lose about $120,000 in tuition from these
>         kids, the City probably just as much, and they will be felons
>         on welfare instead of being productive members of society with
>         a job. To me, as Sunil stated, this is a bad drug policy.
>         Donovan Arnold
>
>         *From:* Dave <tiedye at turbonet.com <mailto:tiedye at turbonet.com>>
>         *To:* vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com
>         <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>
>         *Sent:* Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:39 PM
>         *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
>
>         A friend of mine was busted for "frequenting a place where
>         drugs are
>         used", in the public alley between John's Alley and the Coop. 
>         No drugs
>         were found BTW, he tried to fight it and lost.
>
>         Dave
>
>
>         On 02/11/2012 07:52 AM, Moscow Cares wrote:
>         > Courtesy of the Public Records section of today's (February
>         11, 2012) Moscow-Pullman Daily News.
>         >
>         > --------------------
>         >
>         > MOSCOW POLICE
>         >
>         > Thursday
>         >
>         > 11:41 p.m. - An 18-year-old Moscow woman was arrested in the
>         parking lot of the University of Idaho's Wallace Complex for
>         possession of marijuana with intent to deliver after officers
>         on foot patrol allegedly observed her and two men getting into
>         a vehicle and detecting the odor of marijuana. Police seized
>         marijuana, $240, a scale, rolling papers and a knife. The
>         19-year-old Moscow men were cited for frequenting a place
>         where drugs are used.
>         >
>         > --------------------
>         >
>         > So, the "parking lot of the University of Idaho's Wallace
>         Complex" is "a place where drugs are used."
>         >
>         > If the police want to apprehend true frequenters of places
>         where drugs are used, might I suggest the next Tea Party
>         caucus?  I mean, take a look at the Tea Party membership, one
>         of which sits on our city council.  Do you really think they
>         got that way without drugs?
>         >
>         > Seeya later, Moscow.
>         >
>         > Tom Hansen
>         > Post Falls, Idaho
>         >
>         > "If not us, who?
>         > If not now, when?"
>         >
>         > - Unknown
>         >
>         >
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