[Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .
Gary Crabtree
jampot at roadrunner.com
Sat Aug 11 15:21:08 PDT 2012
The shot pattern of a short barreled, cylinder bore defensive shotgun at across the room distances (12 to 14 feet) is about 5 inches. Across the apartment distances (8 to 10 feet) the pattern tightens to about the diameter of a coke can and at point blank is as big around as a quarter. Missing is always an option. Throw in the Mexican rot gut and the folks who need to be the most worried are those watching the game with you. The notion that you can't miss with a scatter gun is foolish nonsense.
g
From: Tom Hansen
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 1:58 PM
To: Art Deco
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .
Wayne -
That's why my weapon of choice for home security is a 12-gauge shotgun.
I can be sitting at home, watching football, drinking Coronas all afternoon, blow a .28 on a BAT, and still hit the target.
Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
On Aug 11, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:
Another part of this issue is the gross inaccuracy of most pistol/revolver shooters. It takes a great deal of training and constant practice in order to shoot accurately. Even LE officers who have mandatory practice often miss at close range.
The causal gun owner is not likely to hit the intended target even only a few feet away.
w.
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
I wasn't suggesting that we arm our children in schools. It was just a "what if" scenario. Not a suggestion for legislation. Don't people around here wonder about things anymore?
And you're right, I misremembered. I do remember now hearing about this when it all went down. I'm of the opinion that it was a stupid thing for him to do.
Paul
On 08/11/2012 12:10 PM, Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
Paul,
Your understanding is wrong. After watching the first three Die Hard movies (no, I'm not making this up, http://www.spokesmanreview.com/tools/story_pf.asp?ID=193777)
He got shot and had to be rescued by someone else.
I'm not against concealed permits, but I think that if there had been a shootout in Aurora, the 'rescuers' would have likely shot people themselves. And seriously, you think it's a good idea for high school students to be smuggling guns onto campus in case of possible massacres?
Sunil
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 10:50:27 -0700
From: godshatter at yahoo.com
To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .
It's my understanding that he grabbed a gun and headed in that direction and was told to go back home. For good reason, since that's exactly the wrong way to behave when you are carrying. Using your weapon should be a last resort, such as when you are pinned down in a movie theater by an armed assailant. Even then, you still need to think about whether or not you have a clear line of sight and where your bullet is likely to go.
Paul
On 08/11/2012 08:38 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:
Yes some idiot student ran out with a gun. I think he got shot. Ask the police what they thought of that. Joe
On Aug 11, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:
It's hard to think of something more foolish than someone or ones with a hand gun in a disorganized, panicky crowd trying to shoot a person with a automatic weapon shielded by body armor. How many more victims would be added to the final body count?
Didn't something like this happen in the Moscow Massacre?
w.
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Tom,
While your wife if shopping Tri-State, you should be to. I mean come on, support your community why don't you. :)
Donovan J. Arnold
From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
To: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
Cc: "<vision2020 at moscow.com>" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .
You may very well be right, Sunil.
It's just a habit I have acquired while in the service. Trust those around you, but keep your powder dry.
I saw the poster at Tri-State. And, as I've said before, this is the first time I have seen such an advertisement in Moscow. I checked a few things out, such as its website, phone number, etc. etc. etc. (Hey, I needed something to pass the time while my wife was shopping at Tri-State).
The more I dug, the more red flags I found. The more red flags I found, the more I dug. I have so many info sources, concerning the NFT Academy, bookmarked for reference I am thinking of discarding half of 'em.
Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
On Aug 10, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
I've taken such a class and in the past had a concealed weapon permit; who knows, I may again. I don't think this class is a big deal.
Sunil
From: thansen at moscow.com
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:41:58 -0700
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .
The primary reason this caught my eye . . .
I have lived here in Moscow for just over twenty years. The is the FIRST time I have seen concealed-weapon classes openly advertised in town. Couple that up with the increasing paranoia, as a result of the recent instances in Aurora (Colorado) and Milwaukee (Wisconsin), and I feel I have a right to be curious.
BTW, the NFT Academy website has only been in existence since April 2012 and was not publicly released until June 12, 2012 (TWO MONTHS AGO).
http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/
I have more info to share, concerning the NFT Academy and its website, but let's see where this thread leads.
Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
On Aug 10, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
Something legal? The nerve! Next they'll be selling guns!
Sunil
From: thansen at moscow.com
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:24:56 -0700
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .
Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
======================================================= List services made available by First Step Internet, serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. http://www.fsr.net/ mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com =======================================================
=======================================================
List services made available by First Step Internet,
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
http://www.fsr.net/
mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
=======================================================
======================================================= List services made available by First Step Internet, serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. http://www.fsr.net/ mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com =======================================================
=======================================================
List services made available by First Step Internet,
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
http://www.fsr.net/
mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
=======================================================
=======================================================
List services made available by First Step Internet,
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
http://www.fsr.net/
mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
=======================================================
=======================================================
List services made available by First Step Internet,
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
http://www.fsr.net
mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
=======================================================
--
Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
art.deco.studios at gmail.com
=======================================================
List services made available by First Step Internet,
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
http://www.fsr.net
mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
=======================================================
=======================================================
List services made available by First Step Internet,
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
http://www.fsr.net
mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
=======================================================
======================================================= List services made available by First Step Internet, serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. http://www.fsr.net mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com =======================================================
=======================================================
List services made available by First Step Internet,
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
http://www.fsr.net
mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
=======================================================
=======================================================
List services made available by First Step Internet,
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
http://www.fsr.net
mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
=======================================================
--
Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
art.deco.studios at gmail.com
=======================================================
List services made available by First Step Internet,
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
http://www.fsr.net
mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
=======================================================
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
=======================================================
List services made available by First Step Internet,
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
http://www.fsr.net
mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
=======================================================
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20120811/85f924ad/attachment-0001.html>
More information about the Vision2020
mailing list