Paul,
I agree with some of your position, but just packing heat in itself isn't enough especially when you consider the 'frenzied crowd' part of the equation where panic takes over instead of cooler heads prevailing. You'd really need someone who was combat trained or who had otherwise been involved in shootouts (police officer probably) who knew how to keep calm and when the proper time was to draw, aim, and fire to diffuse the whole chaotic scene.
Columbine, Aurora, Virginia Tech to name a few were horrific and unexpected situations. I think it's a tough problem to try and prevent these and / or stop them once they mayhem has started. :(
-Scott
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:57:26 -0700
From: godshatter at yahoo.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .
Yes, you'd have to be damn sure about your line of fire. Firing
in the middle of a frenzied crowd running panicked for the exits
would surely be asking for trouble. However, it's my
understanding that for a while during the shooting the shooter had
complete control of the situation. Anyone trying to leave was
shot. Many people were playing dead in the hopes they would be
passed over. Firing on the shooter, even if he's in body armor,
might distract him enough that some people might have made it to
the exits. Body armor doesn't make you invincible, depending on
the armor and the caliber of the weapon used you might still have
made an impact, since he'd still be hit by the blunt force of the
bullet. In this situation, though, you would probably also have
been shot dead shortly after because he was so well prepared
(vest, leggings, throat protector, groin protector, and a helmet
with a visor). Who knows? Telling a loved one "when I start
shooting, RUN for the exit and don't stop" might have worked.
Most other shootings like this we've heard about haven't involved
such a heavily armored assailant. In fact, quite a few of them
have taken place in areas where gun use is often restricted, such
as in schools or on university campuses. Harris and Kliebold wore
T-shirts and cargo pants at Columbine. A student who had happened
to have smuggled a gun into the school might have been able to
have had a real impact on that event.
An interesting thing to think about, in my opinion. Apparently,
that opinion is not shared on this list.
Paul
On 08/11/2012 08:13 AM, Art Deco wrote:
It's hard to think of something more
foolish than someone or ones with a hand gun in a disorganized,
panicky crowd trying to shoot a person with a automatic weapon
shielded by body armor. How many more victims would be added to
the final body count?
Didn't something like this happen in the Moscow Massacre?
w.
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Donovan
Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
Tom,
While your wife if shopping Tri-State, you
should be to. I mean come on, support your community
why don't you. :)
Donovan J. Arnold
From:
Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
To:
Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
Cc:
"<vision2020 at moscow.com>"
<vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent:
Friday, August 10, 2012 6:47 PM
Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State
is Promoting . . .
You may very well be right, Sunil.
It's just a habit I have acquired while
in the service. Trust those around you, but
keep your powder dry.
I saw the poster at Tri-State. And, as
I've said before, this is the first time I
have seen such an advertisement in Moscow.
I checked a few things out, such as its
website, phone number, etc. etc. etc. (Hey,
I needed something to pass the time while my
wife was shopping at Tri-State).
The more I dug, the more red flags I
found. The more red flags I found, the more
I dug. I have so many info sources,
concerning the NFT Academy, bookmarked for
reference I am thinking of discarding half
of 'em.
Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"We're a town of about 23,000 with
10,000 college students. The college
students are not very active in local
elections (thank goodness!)."
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
On Aug 10, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Sunil
Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
wrote:
I've taken such a class
and in the past had a concealed weapon
permit; who knows, I may again. I don't
think this class is a big deal.
Sunil
From: thansen at moscow.com
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:41:58 -0700
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look
See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .
The
primary reason this caught my
eye . . .
I
have lived here in Moscow for
just over twenty years. The is
the FIRST time I have seen
concealed-weapon classes openly
advertised in town. Couple that
up with the increasing paranoia,
as a result of the recent
instances in Aurora (Colorado)
and Milwaukee (Wisconsin), and I
feel I have a right to be
curious.
BTW,
the NFT Academy website has only
been in existence since April
2012 and was not publicly
released until June 12, 2012
(TWO MONTHS AGO).
http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/
I have more info to share,
concerning the NFT Academy and
its website, but let's see where
this thread leads.
Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"We're a town of about 23,000
with 10,000 college students.
The college students are not
very active in local elections
(thank goodness!)."
- Dale Courtney (March 28,
2007)
On Aug 10, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Sunil
Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Something legal?
The nerve! Next they'll be
selling guns!
Sunil
From: thansen at moscow.com
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012
14:24:56 -0700
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Look See
What Tri-State is Promoting .
. .
Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
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