[Vision2020] The 1% in Congress

Sat Nov 12 11:44:25 PST 2011

Point? I didn't have a point, other than I thought it was interesting, factual information. Seems like it was more of a Rorschach test. 

Ron Force
Moscow Idaho USA

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From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
Cc: Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com>; "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The 1% in Congress

Oh.  I'm sorry to be so dense.  What exactly was Ron's point, then?

Are you making the claim that every one-percenter is trying to "get
    filthier and richer off the backs of middle-income and low-income
    Americans?"  What about the two-percenters?  Are they greedy
    bastards, or is it just the one-percenters?

Corporations can't be one-percenters, can they?  That concept (so I
    thought) relates only to people.

You do understand that if people shifted their targets (of protests)
    to be those known to be involved in unethical business behaviors, I
    (and maybe others like me) would fall in line with you?  As it
    stands, I can't get behind a push to ostracize a minority based
    solely on income levels alone.

Paul

On 11/12/2011 09:49 AM, Tom Hansen wrote: 
Paul, Paul, Paul . . .
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>Ron Force lists a bunch of rich congressmen, as conceivable members of the one-percenters, and you're all over it like Sitler on an alter boy.
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>If you take the time to listen and/or read, Paul, you just may attain a fundamental understanding of the 99-percenters' concept.  It is my substantiated opinion that the "one-percenters" are (as I explained twice before) the unimaginably, filthy rich corporations seeking to get filthier and richer off the backs of middle-income and low-income Americans.
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>Jeesh!
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>Seeya round town, Moscow.
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>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
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>"If not us, who?
>If not now, when?"
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>On Nov 12, 2011, at 9:09 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>This kind of thing is a good illustration of what concerns me
          about this whole 1% / 99% metric.  Here is a list of people
          who are in Congress who have a lot of money.  So what?  There
          is no indication as to how these people got their money.  No
          condemnation of certain Congressmen because they passed
          legislation that directly helped their bottom line.  No effort
          to separate the wheat from the chaff.  How many of these
          people came into their wealth and decided they wanted to do
          something good with it but also understand the idea behind the
          phrase "free milk and a cow"?  The only thing we can say is
          that they are doing well.
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>>it looks vaguely like a target list, frankly.  What ever
          happened to the good old American Dream(tm)?  
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>>What we should be focused on is unmitigated greed.  It exists
          in all levels of society, not just in the most wealthy. 
          Condemn the laws that encourage it, such as the ability of
          shareholders to sue if a company is making a decision that
          affects short-term profits in favor of long-term growth or the
          various tax dodges written into the tax code to benefit
          specific companies over their competition (making for a
          non-free trade market).  There are plenty other examples of
          outright greed that we could be focusing on.  Instead, we are
          focusing on net wealth as some kind of metric of Good vs.
          Evil.  Sure, the wealthy could be doing more to help the poor,
          but so could each one of us.  
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>>While we're on the subject of the seven deadly sins, why not
          take a close look at "envy" while we're at it?  
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>>Paul
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>>On 11/11/2011 04:34 PM, Ron Force wrote: 
>>Table 2: All members of Congress with average net worth above $9 million, from 2009
>>>Name
>>>Minimum Wealth
>>>Maximum Wealth
>>>Average
>>>Chamber
>>>Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) $156,050,022 $451,100,000 $303,575,011 House 
>>>John Kerry (D-Mass.) $182,755,534 $294,869,059 $238,812,296 Senate 
>>>Mark Warner (D-Va.) $65,692,210 $283,077,995 $174,385,102 Senate 
>>>Jared Polis (D-Colo.) $36,694,140 $285,123,996 $160,909,068 House 
>>>Herb Kohl (D-Wis.) $89,358,027 $231,245,995 $160,302,011 Senate 
>>>Vernon Buchanan (R-Fla.) -$69,434,661 $366,180,982 $148,373,160 House 
>>>Michael McCaul (R-Texas) $73,685,086 $201,537,000 $137,611,043 House 
>>>James E. Risch (R-Idaho) $38,936,114 $179,131,990 $109,034,052 Senate 
>>>Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) $61,446,018 $136,218,002 $98,832,010 Senate 
>>>Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) $64,210,256 $125,529,976 $94,870,116 Senate 
>>>Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) $46,055,250 $108,109,018 $77,082,134 Senate 
>>>Frank R. Lautenberg (D-N.J.) $49,083,204 $104,690,018 $76,886,611 Senate 
>>>Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) -$7,356,915 $124,229,990 $58,436,537 House 
>>>Gary Miller (R-Calif.) $19,365,053 $84,302,000 $51,833,526 House 
>>>Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) $9,778,047 $91,656,998 $50,717,522 Senate 
>>>Diane Lynn Black (R-Tenn.) $14,673,049 $84,145,990 $49,409,519 House 
>>>Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-N.J.) $19,898,179 $67,697,000 $43,797,589 House 
>>>Rick Berg (R-N.D.) $19,347,579 $58,981,451 $39,164,515 House 
>>>Nita M. Lowey (D-N.Y.) $14,900,036 $63,125,000 $39,012,518 House 
>>>Kenny Marchant (R-Texas) $13,303,385 $63,106,351 $38,204,868 House 
>>>Denny Rehberg (R-Mont.) $6,598,014 $56,244,997 $31,421,505 House 
>>>Scott Rigell (R-Va.) $11,618,078 $48,200,000 $29,909,039 House 
>>>Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) $12,556,055 $44,669,000 $28,612,527 Senate 
>>>James B. Renacci (R-Ohio) $17,571,131 $39,297,044 $28,434,087 House 
>>>Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) $11,522,909 $44,209,871 $27,866,390 Senate 
>>>Carolyn B. Maloney (D-N.Y.) $7,045,017 $41,899,994 $24,472,505 House 
>>>Tom Petri (R-Wis.) $5,111,026 $43,765,999 $24,438,512 House 
>>>John Campbell (R-Calif.) $9,227,063 $37,282,000 $23,254,531 House 
>>>Steve Pearce (R-N.M.) $8,368,014 $37,945,000 $23,156,507 House 
>>>Richard L Hanna (R-N.Y.) $10,960,117 $33,276,000 $22,118,058 House 
>>>Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) $15,681,206 $27,543,006 $21,612,106 Senate 
>>>Blake Farenthold (R-Texas) $10,359,086 $31,381,997 $20,870,541 House 
>>>John Hoeven (R-N.D.) -$12,829,960 $52,851,999 $20,011,019 Senate 
>>>Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) $7,102,036 $32,756,000 $19,929,018 Senate 
>>>Kay R. Hagan (D-N.C.) $3,549,596 $33,149,981 $18,349,788 Senate 
>>>F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.) $14,990,621 $20,923,567 $17,957,094 House 
>>>Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) $1,056,768 $34,566,596 $17,811,682 Senate 
>>>Michael F Bennet (D-Colo.) $6,217,020 $27,780,000 $16,998,510 Senate 
>>>Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) $10,447,125 $23,082,001 $16,764,563 Senate 
>>>Nan Hayworth (R-N.Y.) $9,542,219 $23,259,000 $16,400,609 House 
>>>Fred Upton (R-Mich.) $7,010,173 $25,651,000 $16,330,586 House 
>>>Rosa L. DeLauro (D-Conn.) $5,429,018 $26,697,997 $16,063,507 House 
>>>John McCain (R-Ariz.) $9,769,247 $22,072,994 $15,921,120 Senate 
>>>Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) $7,790,095 $20,949,999 $14,370,047 House 
>>>Cynthia Marie Lummis (R-Wyo.) $4,939,028 $23,591,999 $14,265,513 House 
>>>Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) $6,393,295 $20,874,000 $13,633,647 Senate 
>>>Shelley Berkley (D-Nev.) $6,593,088 $20,654,033 $13,623,560 House 
>>>Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) $4,561,077 $20,503,000 $12,532,038 House 
>>>Tom Price (R-Ga.) $7,653,606 $17,121,588 $12,387,597 House 
>>>Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) $8,010,107 $16,623,001 $12,316,554 Senate 
>>>Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) $4,100,005 $20,250,000 $12,175,002 House 
>>>Randy Neugebauer (R-Texas) $6,126,070 $18,078,998 $12,102,534 House 
>>>Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.) $6,407,085 $17,427,999 $11,917,542 Senate 
>>>Rob Portman (R-Ohio) $5,544,075 $17,468,999 $11,506,537 Senate 
>>>David Dreier (R-Calif.) $5,264,092 $17,715,000 $11,489,546 House 
>>>David B. McKinley (R-W.Va.) $5,216,060 $14,316,000 $9,766,030 House 
>>>John A. Yarmuth (D-Ky.) $2,850,009 $16,349,999 $9,600,004 House 
>>>John Fleming (R-La.) $2,153,834 $16,797,770 $9,475,802 House 
>>>Jon Runyan (R-N.J.) $5,000,034 $13,674,999 $9,337,516 House 
>>>Source: Center for Responsive Politics
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