[Vision2020] The 1% in Congress
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Sat Nov 12 10:14:33 PST 2011
Oh. I'm sorry to be so dense. What exactly was Ron's point, then?
Are you making the claim that every one-percenter is trying to "get
filthier and richer off the backs of middle-income and low-income
Americans?" What about the two-percenters? Are they greedy bastards,
or is it just the one-percenters?
Corporations can't be one-percenters, can they? That concept (so I
thought) relates only to people.
You do understand that if people shifted their targets (of protests) to
be those known to be involved in unethical business behaviors, I (and
maybe others like me) would fall in line with you? As it stands, I
can't get behind a push to ostracize a minority based solely on income
levels alone.
Paul
On 11/12/2011 09:49 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:
> Paul, Paul, Paul . . .
>
> Ron Force lists a bunch of rich congressmen, as conceivable members of
> the one-percenters, and you're all over it like Sitler on an alter boy.
>
> If you take the time to listen and/or read, Paul, you just may attain
> a fundamental understanding of the 99-percenters' concept. It is my
> substantiated opinion that the "one-percenters" are (as I explained
> twice before) the unimaginably, filthy rich corporations seeking to
> get filthier and richer off the backs of middle-income and low-income
> Americans.
>
> Jeesh!
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "If not us, who?
> If not now, when?"
>
> - Unknown
>
> On Nov 12, 2011, at 9:09 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com
> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>>
>> This kind of thing is a good illustration of what concerns me about
>> this whole 1% / 99% metric. Here is a list of people who are in
>> Congress who have a lot of money. So what? There is no indication
>> as to how these people got their money. No condemnation of certain
>> Congressmen because they passed legislation that directly helped
>> their bottom line. No effort to separate the wheat from the chaff.
>> How many of these people came into their wealth and decided they
>> wanted to do something good with it but also understand the idea
>> behind the phrase "free milk and a cow"? The only thing we can say
>> is that they are doing well.
>>
>> it looks vaguely like a target list, frankly. What ever happened to
>> the good old American Dream(tm)?
>>
>> What we should be focused on is unmitigated greed. It exists in all
>> levels of society, not just in the most wealthy. Condemn the laws
>> that encourage it, such as the ability of shareholders to sue if a
>> company is making a decision that affects short-term profits in favor
>> of long-term growth or the various tax dodges written into the tax
>> code to benefit specific companies over their competition (making for
>> a non-free trade market). There are plenty other examples of
>> outright greed that we could be focusing on. Instead, we are
>> focusing on net wealth as some kind of metric of Good vs. Evil.
>> Sure, the wealthy could be doing more to help the poor, but so could
>> each one of us.
>>
>> While we're on the subject of the seven deadly sins, why not take a
>> close look at "envy" while we're at it?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 11/11/2011 04:34 PM, Ron Force wrote:
>>> *Table 2: All members of Congress with average net worth above $9
>>> million, from 2009*
>>> Name Minimum Wealth Maximum Wealth Average Chamber
>>> Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) $156,050,022 $451,100,000 $303,575,011
>>> House
>>> John Kerry (D-Mass.) $182,755,534 $294,869,059 $238,812,296 Senate
>>> Mark Warner (D-Va.) $65,692,210 $283,077,995 $174,385,102 Senate
>>> Jared Polis (D-Colo.) $36,694,140 $285,123,996 $160,909,068 House
>>> Herb Kohl (D-Wis.) $89,358,027 $231,245,995 $160,302,011 Senate
>>> Vernon Buchanan (R-Fla.) -$69,434,661 $366,180,982 $148,373,160
>>> House
>>> Michael McCaul (R-Texas) $73,685,086 $201,537,000 $137,611,043
>>> House
>>> James E. Risch (R-Idaho) $38,936,114 $179,131,990 $109,034,052
>>> Senate
>>> Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) $61,446,018 $136,218,002 $98,832,010
>>> Senate
>>> Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) $64,210,256 $125,529,976
>>> $94,870,116 Senate
>>> Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) $46,055,250 $108,109,018
>>> $77,082,134 Senate
>>> Frank R. Lautenberg (D-N.J.) $49,083,204 $104,690,018
>>> $76,886,611 Senate
>>> Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) -$7,356,915 $124,229,990 $58,436,537 House
>>> Gary Miller (R-Calif.) $19,365,053 $84,302,000 $51,833,526 House
>>> Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) $9,778,047 $91,656,998 $50,717,522 Senate
>>> Diane Lynn Black (R-Tenn.) $14,673,049 $84,145,990 $49,409,519
>>> House
>>> Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-N.J.) $19,898,179 $67,697,000
>>> $43,797,589 House
>>> Rick Berg (R-N.D.) $19,347,579 $58,981,451 $39,164,515 House
>>> Nita M. Lowey (D-N.Y.) $14,900,036 $63,125,000 $39,012,518 House
>>> Kenny Marchant (R-Texas) $13,303,385 $63,106,351 $38,204,868 House
>>> Denny Rehberg (R-Mont.) $6,598,014 $56,244,997 $31,421,505 House
>>> Scott Rigell (R-Va.) $11,618,078 $48,200,000 $29,909,039 House
>>> Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) $12,556,055 $44,669,000 $28,612,527
>>> Senate
>>> James B. Renacci (R-Ohio) $17,571,131 $39,297,044 $28,434,087 House
>>> Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) $11,522,909 $44,209,871 $27,866,390
>>> Senate
>>> Carolyn B. Maloney (D-N.Y.) $7,045,017 $41,899,994 $24,472,505
>>> House
>>> Tom Petri (R-Wis.) $5,111,026 $43,765,999 $24,438,512 House
>>> John Campbell (R-Calif.) $9,227,063 $37,282,000 $23,254,531 House
>>> Steve Pearce (R-N.M.) $8,368,014 $37,945,000 $23,156,507 House
>>> Richard L Hanna (R-N.Y.) $10,960,117 $33,276,000 $22,118,058 House
>>> Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) $15,681,206 $27,543,006 $21,612,106 Senate
>>> Blake Farenthold (R-Texas) $10,359,086 $31,381,997 $20,870,541
>>> House
>>> John Hoeven (R-N.D.) -$12,829,960 $52,851,999 $20,011,019 Senate
>>> Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) $7,102,036 $32,756,000 $19,929,018 Senate
>>> Kay R. Hagan (D-N.C.) $3,549,596 $33,149,981 $18,349,788 Senate
>>> F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.) $14,990,621 $20,923,567
>>> $17,957,094 House
>>> Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) $1,056,768 $34,566,596 $17,811,682 Senate
>>> Michael F Bennet (D-Colo.) $6,217,020 $27,780,000 $16,998,510
>>> Senate
>>> Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) $10,447,125 $23,082,001 $16,764,563 Senate
>>> Nan Hayworth (R-N.Y.) $9,542,219 $23,259,000 $16,400,609 House
>>> Fred Upton (R-Mich.) $7,010,173 $25,651,000 $16,330,586 House
>>> Rosa L. DeLauro (D-Conn.) $5,429,018 $26,697,997 $16,063,507 House
>>> John McCain (R-Ariz.) $9,769,247 $22,072,994 $15,921,120 Senate
>>> Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) $7,790,095 $20,949,999 $14,370,047 House
>>> Cynthia Marie Lummis (R-Wyo.) $4,939,028 $23,591,999
>>> $14,265,513 House
>>> Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) $6,393,295 $20,874,000 $13,633,647 Senate
>>> Shelley Berkley (D-Nev.) $6,593,088 $20,654,033 $13,623,560 House
>>> Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) $4,561,077 $20,503,000 $12,532,038 House
>>> Tom Price (R-Ga.) $7,653,606 $17,121,588 $12,387,597 House
>>> Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) $8,010,107 $16,623,001 $12,316,554 Senate
>>> Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) $4,100,005 $20,250,000 $12,175,002 House
>>> Randy Neugebauer (R-Texas) $6,126,070 $18,078,998 $12,102,534 House
>>> Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.) $6,407,085 $17,427,999 $11,917,542 Senate
>>> Rob Portman (R-Ohio) $5,544,075 $17,468,999 $11,506,537 Senate
>>> David Dreier (R-Calif.) $5,264,092 $17,715,000 $11,489,546 House
>>> David B. McKinley (R-W.Va.) $5,216,060 $14,316,000 $9,766,030 House
>>> John A. Yarmuth (D-Ky.) $2,850,009 $16,349,999 $9,600,004 House
>>> John Fleming (R-La.) $2,153,834 $16,797,770 $9,475,802 House
>>> Jon Runyan (R-N.J.) $5,000,034 $13,674,999 $9,337,516 House
>>>
>>> Source: Center for Responsive Politics
>>> <http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/index.php>
>>>
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