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Oh. I'm sorry to be so dense. What exactly was Ron's point, then?<br>
<br>
Are you making the claim that every one-percenter is trying to "get
filthier and richer off the backs of middle-income and low-income
Americans?" What about the two-percenters? Are they greedy
bastards, or is it just the one-percenters?<br>
<br>
Corporations can't be one-percenters, can they? That concept (so I
thought) relates only to people.<br>
<br>
You do understand that if people shifted their targets (of protests)
to be those known to be involved in unethical business behaviors, I
(and maybe others like me) would fall in line with you? As it
stands, I can't get behind a push to ostracize a minority based
solely on income levels alone.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 11/12/2011 09:49 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:
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cite="mid:1123B626-6948-47E8-809B-EF6F688EAF31@moscow.com"
type="cite">
<div>Paul, Paul, Paul . . .</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ron Force lists a bunch of rich congressmen, as conceivable
members of the one-percenters, and you're all over it like
Sitler on an alter boy.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you take the time to listen and/or read, Paul, you just
may attain a fundamental understanding of the 99-percenters'
concept. It is my substantiated opinion that the
"one-percenters" are (as I explained twice before) the
unimaginably, filthy rich corporations seeking to get filthier
and richer off the backs of middle-income and low-income
Americans.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jeesh!<br>
<br>
<div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"If not us, who?</div>
<div>If not now, when?"</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Unknown</div>
</div>
<div><br>
On Nov 12, 2011, at 9:09 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div> <br>
This kind of thing is a good illustration of what concerns me
about this whole 1% / 99% metric. Here is a list of people
who are in Congress who have a lot of money. So what? There
is no indication as to how these people got their money. No
condemnation of certain Congressmen because they passed
legislation that directly helped their bottom line. No effort
to separate the wheat from the chaff. How many of these
people came into their wealth and decided they wanted to do
something good with it but also understand the idea behind the
phrase "free milk and a cow"? The only thing we can say is
that they are doing well.<br>
<br>
it looks vaguely like a target list, frankly. What ever
happened to the good old American Dream(tm)? <br>
<br>
What we should be focused on is unmitigated greed. It exists
in all levels of society, not just in the most wealthy.
Condemn the laws that encourage it, such as the ability of
shareholders to sue if a company is making a decision that
affects short-term profits in favor of long-term growth or the
various tax dodges written into the tax code to benefit
specific companies over their competition (making for a
non-free trade market). There are plenty other examples of
outright greed that we could be focusing on. Instead, we are
focusing on net wealth as some kind of metric of Good vs.
Evil. Sure, the wealthy could be doing more to help the poor,
but so could each one of us. <br>
<br>
While we're on the subject of the seven deadly sins, why not
take a close look at "envy" while we're at it? <br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 11/11/2011 04:34 PM, Ron Force wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:1321058089.9665.YahooMailNeo@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com"
type="cite">
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255); font-family: times new roman,new
york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">
<div><strong>Table 2: All members of Congress with average
net worth above $9 million, from 2009</strong></div>
<table class="tableizer-table">
<tbody>
<tr class="tableizer-firstrow">
<th>Name</th>
<th>Minimum Wealth</th>
<th>Maximum Wealth</th>
<th>Average</th>
<th>Chamber</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Darrell Issa (R-Calif.)</td>
<td>$156,050,022</td>
<td>$451,100,000</td>
<td>$303,575,011</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>John Kerry (D-Mass.)</td>
<td>$182,755,534</td>
<td>$294,869,059</td>
<td>$238,812,296</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Mark Warner (D-Va.)</td>
<td>$65,692,210</td>
<td>$283,077,995</td>
<td>$174,385,102</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Jared Polis (D-Colo.)</td>
<td>$36,694,140</td>
<td>$285,123,996</td>
<td>$160,909,068</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Herb Kohl (D-Wis.)</td>
<td>$89,358,027</td>
<td>$231,245,995</td>
<td>$160,302,011</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Vernon Buchanan (R-Fla.)</td>
<td>-$69,434,661</td>
<td>$366,180,982</td>
<td>$148,373,160</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Michael McCaul (R-Texas)</td>
<td>$73,685,086</td>
<td>$201,537,000</td>
<td>$137,611,043</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>James E. Risch (R-Idaho)</td>
<td>$38,936,114</td>
<td>$179,131,990</td>
<td>$109,034,052</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.)</td>
<td>$61,446,018</td>
<td>$136,218,002</td>
<td>$98,832,010</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.)</td>
<td>$64,210,256</td>
<td>$125,529,976</td>
<td>$94,870,116</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)</td>
<td>$46,055,250</td>
<td>$108,109,018</td>
<td>$77,082,134</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Frank R. Lautenberg (D-N.J.)</td>
<td>$49,083,204</td>
<td>$104,690,018</td>
<td>$76,886,611</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)</td>
<td>-$7,356,915</td>
<td>$124,229,990</td>
<td>$58,436,537</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Gary Miller (R-Calif.)</td>
<td>$19,365,053</td>
<td>$84,302,000</td>
<td>$51,833,526</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Bob Corker (R-Tenn.)</td>
<td>$9,778,047</td>
<td>$91,656,998</td>
<td>$50,717,522</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Diane Lynn Black (R-Tenn.)</td>
<td>$14,673,049</td>
<td>$84,145,990</td>
<td>$49,409,519</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-N.J.)</td>
<td>$19,898,179</td>
<td>$67,697,000</td>
<td>$43,797,589</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Rick Berg (R-N.D.)</td>
<td>$19,347,579</td>
<td>$58,981,451</td>
<td>$39,164,515</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Nita M. Lowey (D-N.Y.)</td>
<td>$14,900,036</td>
<td>$63,125,000</td>
<td>$39,012,518</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Kenny Marchant (R-Texas)</td>
<td>$13,303,385</td>
<td>$63,106,351</td>
<td>$38,204,868</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Denny Rehberg (R-Mont.)</td>
<td>$6,598,014</td>
<td>$56,244,997</td>
<td>$31,421,505</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Scott Rigell (R-Va.)</td>
<td>$11,618,078</td>
<td>$48,200,000</td>
<td>$29,909,039</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine)</td>
<td>$12,556,055</td>
<td>$44,669,000</td>
<td>$28,612,527</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>James B. Renacci (R-Ohio)</td>
<td>$17,571,131</td>
<td>$39,297,044</td>
<td>$28,434,087</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.)</td>
<td>$11,522,909</td>
<td>$44,209,871</td>
<td>$27,866,390</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Carolyn B. Maloney (D-N.Y.)</td>
<td>$7,045,017</td>
<td>$41,899,994</td>
<td>$24,472,505</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Tom Petri (R-Wis.)</td>
<td>$5,111,026</td>
<td>$43,765,999</td>
<td>$24,438,512</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>John Campbell (R-Calif.)</td>
<td>$9,227,063</td>
<td>$37,282,000</td>
<td>$23,254,531</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Steve Pearce (R-N.M.)</td>
<td>$8,368,014</td>
<td>$37,945,000</td>
<td>$23,156,507</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Richard L Hanna (R-N.Y.)</td>
<td>$10,960,117</td>
<td>$33,276,000</td>
<td>$22,118,058</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.)</td>
<td>$15,681,206</td>
<td>$27,543,006</td>
<td>$21,612,106</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Blake Farenthold (R-Texas)</td>
<td>$10,359,086</td>
<td>$31,381,997</td>
<td>$20,870,541</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>John Hoeven (R-N.D.)</td>
<td>-$12,829,960</td>
<td>$52,851,999</td>
<td>$20,011,019</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.)</td>
<td>$7,102,036</td>
<td>$32,756,000</td>
<td>$19,929,018</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Kay R. Hagan (D-N.C.)</td>
<td>$3,549,596</td>
<td>$33,149,981</td>
<td>$18,349,788</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.)</td>
<td>$14,990,621</td>
<td>$20,923,567</td>
<td>$17,957,094</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Ron Johnson (R-Wis.)</td>
<td>$1,056,768</td>
<td>$34,566,596</td>
<td>$17,811,682</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Michael F Bennet (D-Colo.)</td>
<td>$6,217,020</td>
<td>$27,780,000</td>
<td>$16,998,510</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Tom Harkin (D-Iowa)</td>
<td>$10,447,125</td>
<td>$23,082,001</td>
<td>$16,764,563</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Nan Hayworth (R-N.Y.)</td>
<td>$9,542,219</td>
<td>$23,259,000</td>
<td>$16,400,609</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Fred Upton (R-Mich.)</td>
<td>$7,010,173</td>
<td>$25,651,000</td>
<td>$16,330,586</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Rosa L. DeLauro (D-Conn.)</td>
<td>$5,429,018</td>
<td>$26,697,997</td>
<td>$16,063,507</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>John McCain (R-Ariz.)</td>
<td>$9,769,247</td>
<td>$22,072,994</td>
<td>$15,921,120</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas)</td>
<td>$7,790,095</td>
<td>$20,949,999</td>
<td>$14,370,047</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Cynthia Marie Lummis (R-Wyo.)</td>
<td>$4,939,028</td>
<td>$23,591,999</td>
<td>$14,265,513</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.)</td>
<td>$6,393,295</td>
<td>$20,874,000</td>
<td>$13,633,647</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Shelley Berkley (D-Nev.)</td>
<td>$6,593,088</td>
<td>$20,654,033</td>
<td>$13,623,560</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Jackie Speier (D-Calif.)</td>
<td>$4,561,077</td>
<td>$20,503,000</td>
<td>$12,532,038</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Tom Price (R-Ga.)</td>
<td>$7,653,606</td>
<td>$17,121,588</td>
<td>$12,387,597</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Ben Nelson (D-Neb.)</td>
<td>$8,010,107</td>
<td>$16,623,001</td>
<td>$12,316,554</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Trent Franks (R-Ariz.)</td>
<td>$4,100,005</td>
<td>$20,250,000</td>
<td>$12,175,002</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Randy Neugebauer (R-Texas)</td>
<td>$6,126,070</td>
<td>$18,078,998</td>
<td>$12,102,534</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.)</td>
<td>$6,407,085</td>
<td>$17,427,999</td>
<td>$11,917,542</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Rob Portman (R-Ohio)</td>
<td>$5,544,075</td>
<td>$17,468,999</td>
<td>$11,506,537</td>
<td>Senate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>David Dreier (R-Calif.)</td>
<td>$5,264,092</td>
<td>$17,715,000</td>
<td>$11,489,546</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>David B. McKinley (R-W.Va.)</td>
<td>$5,216,060</td>
<td>$14,316,000</td>
<td>$9,766,030</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>John A. Yarmuth (D-Ky.)</td>
<td>$2,850,009</td>
<td>$16,349,999</td>
<td>$9,600,004</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>John Fleming (R-La.)</td>
<td>$2,153,834</td>
<td>$16,797,770</td>
<td>$9,475,802</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Jon Runyan (R-N.J.)</td>
<td>$5,000,034</td>
<td>$13,674,999</td>
<td>$9,337,516</td>
<td>House</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<div>Source: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/index.php"
target="_blank">Center for Responsive Politics</a></div>
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