[Vision2020] Fwd: Breaking news from lmtribune.com

[Donovan Arnold]

Paul,
 
I am a med assist, cert. CNA, first responder, and CPR certified. I am required by law to render assistance within my very limited scope and training unless there is already help there or I cannot help without putting my own life in jeopardy. 
 
My CPR and first aid trainer, stated I am required to assist if there is nobody else. 
I would image that is true for all other medically trained people.
 
I would image someone could try to sue if they were injured by a rescue effort of a bystander, but I am sure most judges and juries would throw it out except in extreme cases, like helping when it really was not needed, or someone being careless and reckless.
 
I could not image someone not willing to try and help someone dying if they could. 
 
Donovan Arnold

--- On Sat, 5/14/11, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:


From: Art Deco <deco at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: Breaking news from lmtribune.com
To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 5:34 PM





Sometimes amateur help is disastrous.  Moving someone whose internal bleeding has clotted may cause it to begin again and thus cause death.
 
w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Paul Rumelhart 
To: Reggie Holmquist 
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; Donovan Arnold 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: Breaking news from lmtribune.com


Didn't they even put laws in place to make sure that you couldn't be sued if you did help but made things worse?  Which is a legitimate concern if such laws were put in place.  Amateur help is not always better than no help at all.

Paul

On 05/14/2011 04:18 PM, Reggie Holmquist wrote: 
We covered this pretty extensively in Torts last semester.  There is no duty to help someone else unless you have a special relationship with that person (guardian, for example).  CPR certification does not create a duty that I am aware of.  If it did, that would only discourage people from getting CPR certification.

-Reggie


On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:






Tom,
 
If you are CPR certified you are required to help.  
 
 
Donovan Arnold 


--- On Sat, 5/14/11, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:



From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: Breaking news from lmtribune.com
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>, "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 1:23 PM 



Donovan Arnold stated:

"Nobody is morally or ethically responsible to prevent a bad event if
their action knowingly would result in something worse."

In my opinion moral and ethical responsibility is determined individually.

If I were fishing from a dock on Lake Coeur d'Alene and observed a child
slowly drowning . . . although I may not be legally responsible . . . I
would consider myself to be ethically and morally responsible to take
action to prevent the child from drowning.

Footnote:  If I were fishing on a lake in Germany and observed a child
drowning, I WOULD BE legally responsible to take action to prevent the
child from drowning.  I could be arrested and jailed in Germany, but not
in the United States.  If you were to drive by an unattended accident and
didn't stop to offer help, you would be held criminally liable.

Just some laws I think the US should consider.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
changeand the Realist adjusts his sails."

- Unknown



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