[Vision2020] Say What?

[Tom Hansen]

My apologies, Saundra.

I overlooked the obvious.  My initial attention was drawn to the undue criticism of homosexual soldiers.  Mr. Law's closing words reflect heavily on his sexist attitude as well as the "church" that share that attitude.

In the words of Pricilla Mondt . . .

"When we begin to fulfill our responsibility in the church, displaying interest in the life of the organization, clergywomen will be entrusted with more responsibility and more visible leadership roles. As God leads women in the Assemblies of God into higher leadership positions, a road will be paved for others to follow."

- Priscilla A. Mondt is an Assemblies of God minister and chaplain in the U.S. Army.
http://womeninministry.ag.org/resources/articles/ministry/min0306_pavingroad.cfm

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change and the Realist adjusts his sails."

- Unknown


On Jul 10, 2011, at 9:50, "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> wrote:

> Actually, Paul, you completely missed the point, which was the ***female***
> Army chaplain, not "sinners."
> 
> Those in that subset don't think that women should be chaplains, pastors . .
> . or sit on school boards.
> 
> The point you miss that Blake Law was making is that *neither* belong in the
> military according to those in Wilson's World or that "subset of
> Christians."
> 
> Easy to miss the point when one works oh, so hard to make excuses for the
> inexcusable rather than taking people at their word.
> 
> <shaking my head>
> 
> 
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
> 
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> nothing.
> ~ Edmund Burke
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:13 AM
> To: Tom Hansen
> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> 
> 
> I'm not a theologian by any means, but if this chaplain is of a subset of
> the Christian religion then they believe that *everyone* is a sinner.  It's
> human nature, it's why Jesus was required to come down to Earth, etc.  So
> this chaplain was not saying (as her quote could sound) that she would treat
> a homosexual as one of those other sinners, like rapists, murderers, or
> whatever.  She's saying that she would treat them like anyone else,
> basically.
> 
> People more versed in Christian theology, feel free to show me to be wrong
> on this.
> 
> Paul
> 
> On 07/10/2011 05:26 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:
>> "I recently heard someone breathlessly telling me about an Army 
>> chaplain and his response to the repeal of DADT: 'I will treat a 
>> homosexual soldier who comes into my office the same as any other 
>> sinner.' You know who it was? A female Army chaplain."
>> 
>> - Blake Law
>> 
>> http://www.dougwils.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8
>> 768:slopehead-country&catid=87:politics#JOSC_TOP
>> 
>> ---------------------------------
>> 
>> Question, Mr. Law:  How many "sinners" do you figure are buried at 
>> Arlington?  Or listed on the Vietnam Memorial Wall?
>> 
>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>> 
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to 
>> change and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>> 
>> - Author Unknown
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