<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>My apologies, Saundra.</div><div><br></div><div>I overlooked the obvious. My initial attention was drawn to the undue criticism of homosexual soldiers. Mr. Law's closing words reflect heavily on his sexist attitude as well as the "church" that share that attitude.</div><div><br></div><div>In the words of Pricilla Mondt . . .</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 15px; color: rgb(105, 61, 29); font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 15px; color: rgb(105, 61, 29); font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; ">"When we begin to fulfill our responsibility in the church, displaying interest in the life of the organization, clergywomen will be entrusted with more responsibility and more visible leadership roles. As God leads women in the Assemblies of God into higher leadership positions, a road will be paved for others to follow."</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 15px; color: rgb(105, 61, 29); font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 15px; color: rgb(105, 61, 29); font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; ">- </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 15px; color: rgb(105, 61, 29); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Priscilla A. Mondt is an Assemblies of God minister and chaplain in the U.S. Army.</span></div><a href="http://womeninministry.ag.org/resources/articles/ministry/min0306_pavingroad.cfm">http://womeninministry.ag.org/resources/articles/ministry/min0306_pavingroad.cfm</a><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 15px; color: rgb(105, 61, 29); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 15px; color: rgb(105, 61, 29); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Seeya round town, Moscow.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 15px; color: rgb(105, 61, 29); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 15px; color: rgb(105, 61, 29); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 15px; color: rgb(105, 61, 29); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Moscow, Idaho</span></div><div><div><br></div><div>"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">and the Realist adjusts his sails."</span></div><div><br></div><div>- Unknown</div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jul 10, 2011, at 9:50, "Saundra Lund" <v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Actually, Paul, you completely missed the point, which was the ***female***</span><br><span>Army chaplain, not "sinners."</span><br><span></span><br><span>Those in that subset don't think that women should be chaplains, pastors . .</span><br><span>. or sit on school boards.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The point you miss that Blake Law was making is that *neither* belong in the</span><br><span>military according to those in Wilson's World or that "subset of</span><br><span>Christians."</span><br><span></span><br><span>Easy to miss the point when one works oh, so hard to make excuses for the</span><br><span>inexcusable rather than taking people at their word.</span><br><span></span><br><span><shaking my head></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Saundra Lund</span><br><span>Moscow, ID</span><br><span></span><br><span>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do</span><br><span>nothing.</span><br><span>~ Edmund Burke</span><br><span></span><br><span>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2011 through life plus</span><br><span>70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside</span><br><span>the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the</span><br><span>author.*****</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]</span><br><span>On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart</span><br><span>Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:13 AM</span><br><span>To: Tom Hansen</span><br><span>Cc: Moscow Vision 2020</span><br><span>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>I'm not a theologian by any means, but if this chaplain is of a subset of</span><br><span>the Christian religion then they believe that *everyone* is a sinner. It's</span><br><span>human nature, it's why Jesus was required to come down to Earth, etc. So</span><br><span>this chaplain was not saying (as her quote could sound) that she would treat</span><br><span>a homosexual as one of those other sinners, like rapists, murderers, or</span><br><span>whatever. She's saying that she would treat them like anyone else,</span><br><span>basically.</span><br><span></span><br><span>People more versed in Christian theology, feel free to show me to be wrong</span><br><span>on this.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Paul</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 07/10/2011 05:26 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>"I recently heard someone breathlessly telling me about an Army </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>chaplain and his response to the repeal of DADT: 'I will treat a </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>homosexual soldier who comes into my office the same as any other </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>sinner.' You know who it was? A female Army chaplain."</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>- Blake Law</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>http://www.dougwils.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>768:slopehead-country&catid=87:politics#JOSC_TOP</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>---------------------------------</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Question, Mr. Law: How many "sinners" do you figure are buried at </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Arlington? Or listed on the Vietnam Memorial Wall?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Seeya round town, Moscow.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Tom Hansen</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Moscow, Idaho</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>change and the Realist adjusts his sails."</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>- Author Unknown</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>=======================================================</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> List services made available by First Step Internet,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> http://www.fsr.net</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>=======================================================</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>=======================================================</span><br><span> List services made available by First Step Internet, </span><br><span> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. </span><br><span> http://www.fsr.net </span><br><span> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</span><br><span>=======================================================</span><br><span></span><br></div></blockquote></div></body></html>