[Vision2020] that Jared guy and mental health

[Tom Hansen]

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Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho



On Fri, January 28, 2011 9:14 am, Dan Carscallen wrote:
> A couple things, and I'm by no means an expert:
>
> I have purchased handguns, shotguns, and rifles.  All were reported to the
> ATF.  They are registered to me with the feds. Or, at least, I would
> assume
> the paperwork I filled out, with all kinds of federal language on it,
> would
> speak to that.  I don't know the exact paperwork, as it's been almost a
> year
> since I last bought something.  I do know they'll call you back to the
> store
> if you just put an "S" instead of "South" when you live on South Cleveland
> .
> . . oh yeah, and you have to put "Street" as well.
>
> As far as an AK47 and the purchase of such at a gun show, I can't say that
> I've ever seen one for sale, and you can't buy a full automatic one
> anywhere, not legally anyway, or at least not with a lot of paperwork, and
> a
> lot of time.  Of course, I've never had the inclination to purchase one,
> so
> I can't really speak from experience.  I wouldn't mind owning an AR-15,
> but
> I don't have that kind of jingle, so I've never pursued it.
>
> But, the gun part of the equation wasn't my point.
>
> Yes, something has to be done, but that something is with regard to mental
> health care.  Should this Laughner fellow been institutionalized when he
> was
> discharged from the service?  Perhaps, but what about his civil rights,
> his
> freedom?  Maybe the military shouldn't just discharge someone when they
> start acting up.  Perhaps they should have some sort of program to help
> diagnose these folks and help get them on an even keel, rather than what
> seems like just cutting their losses and kicking them to the curb.  Maybe
> they do offer such programs, but they could very well be voluntary. I
> don't
> know, I wasn't in the military.  Like I said, I'm no expert.
>
> Unless someone has actually committed a crime, I don't think they can be,
> uh, committed to some sort of treatment program.  Maybe during one of his
> prior "run-ins with the law" someone should have noticed something.  But,
> of
> course, the system is bogged down, departments are understaffed, people
> are
> underpaid, and folks fall through the cracks.
>
> I guess, in short, we need to work on sealing the cracks.
>
> Your pal
>
> DC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Hansen [mailto:thansen at moscow.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:06 AM
> To: Dan Carscallen; 'vision 2020'
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] that Jared guy and mental health
>
> I see what your sayin', Area Man.
>
> But, how, in THE HELL was Laughner sold a gun.  The guy has a
> well-publicized history loaded with red flags.
>
> He was discharged from the service after being diagnosed with "behavioral
> issues".  He has had run-ins with the law.
>
> Yet, he was sold a gun.  He killed six people and maimed one for life.
>
> Do you realize that if I were to purchase more than two handguns, my
> purchases would be reported to ATF (and rightfully so).  HOwver, if I were
> to purchase more than one rifle, my purchases are not reported to anybody.
>  Heck, in Idaho rifles are not required to be registered.  I can legally
> purchase ten (or 20 or 30 or 40 or . . . ) AK-47 assault rifles at a gun
> show here in Idaho and my purchases would not have too be reported to
> anybody.  Heck, I wouldn't even have to register any of them.
>
> Something HAS GOT TO BE DONE!
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, January 28, 2011 7:47 am, Dan Carscallen wrote:
>> Vizzz peeps,
>>
>>
>>
>> We live in a free society.  One of the prices we pay for living here
>> is that there are some loonballs running around who could snap at any
>> minute.
>> Should they be?  Probably not, but who is to say when and how these
>> folks should be rounded up and treated?  Sure, I think all of us can
>> talk about the guy in our neighborhood that seems a little sketchy,
>> but what are we supposed to do?  Call the cops and have them haul him
>> in because he doesn't fit society's norm?  I think there are a lot of
>> folks, right here on the
>> Vizzz even, that don't necessarily follow the "norm".   But we go along
>> and
>> live our lives in our free society.
>>
>>
>>
>> The media talked to this Jared guy's neighbors, and they said "yes, he
>> seemed like a nutjob", but what were they to do?  They watched him,
>> kept their distance, stayed as vigilant as they could.  Unfortunately,
>> he "slipped through the cracks".  Should he have been prevented from
>> buying a pistol?  Maybe, but in a free society, how?  He wasn't a
>> convicted felon, he answered all the questions properly, and he paid
>> his money.  It's not a speedy process, no matter who or where you are.
>> Even with a concealed weapon permit, and a pre-checked background,
>> it's not quick by any means.
>>
>>
>>
>> This can't be blamed on rhetoric, nor on extremists from either side
>> of the aisle.  The blame lays solely on a sick man who obviously needs
>> help.
>> And,
>> perhaps, the "blame" lays on the freedom we enjoy by being citizens of
>> the United States of America.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your pal
>>
>>
>>
>> DC
>>
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