[Vision2020] President Obama at Tucson

[Art Deco]

So you would also find inappropriate a joyous New Orleans style wake?  

Here's what I find revealing:  By the nature of many of your posts here you have implicitly styled yourself a champion of freedom and individuality.  Yet you say:

"A memorial should offer dignity and solace."

First, perceptions differ, and I would like to hear from others on the list about what they think was what was undignified about the event, and if they thought solace was not offered?

Second, and most important:  Why should anyone organizing a memorial be bound by the stricture to "offer solace and dignity" in some somber, stilted way suited to your conception, no matter how you came by it?  Where is your respect for the freedom and individuality of the memorial organizers and participants to mourn and to start the healing process in they ways they found appropriate and apt?  And with the timing they found appropriate and apt?

As for the parents of the nine year old, would they feel bettered supported by what happened rather than having been ignored and left to their trauma and grief, unshared and apparently unloved by their community?

I wonder how many here would agree with your characterization of the memorial as having a "circus atmosphere".  People can use words any way they choose, but the further from the conventional usages they stray, the more the reveal themselves as out of touch with reality and their fellow humankind, and the more it appears they are nursing a sour agenda that has more to do with them themselves than with the part of the universe that is not them.

I for one am very saddened that this tragedy occurred, And I hope that many influential people from with very diverse world views can come together to take significant actions that will lower the probability of such events in the future.

W.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: the lockshop 
  To: Art Deco ; Vision 2020 
  Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] President Obama at Tucson


  I guess that part of the problem for me is my pre Vatican II upbringing. A memorial should offer dignity and solace. It just seems odd for there to be such a circus atmosphere at an event where among those in attendance was the parents and loved ones who had yet to attend the fallens funerals and burial services. Their pain had to have been intense.

  The other part is reducing the event to a slogan on a T-shirt. I find nothing at all inappropriate in such a  message, I just would have wanted something more. To the parents of the nine year old it will likely be a good long while before they thrive and together isn't in the cards for them anymore. 

  g
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Art Deco 
    To: Vision 2020 
    Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:07 PM
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] President Obama at Tucson


    What is inappropriate about T-shirts being given at this memorial?

    They carry what the organizers thought to be an inspirational message, just as the various speeches, music, homilies, etc were intended to do.  

    Is there something inappropriate in using a T-shirt as a medium for a message rather than TV, air, paper, etc?  Why?

    Wouldn't a possessor of the T-shirt be more likely to remember and be inspired to heed the message and of the tragic events that occurred?  Or is it the message you object to as inappropriate?  If so, why?


    Wayne A. Fox
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    Moscow, ID  83843

    waf at moscow.com
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      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: the lockshop 
      To: Chuck Kovis ; lfalen ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
      Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:22 PM
      Subject: Re: [Vision2020] President Obama at Tucson


      Nothing outrageous about the slogan itself but it's a little weird to be 
      passing out T-shirts at a memorial. I can't believe that anyone who watched 
      the event didn't come away with the feeling that the whole tone was off for 
      what would normally a rather somber event.

      g
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      From: "Chuck Kovis" <ckovis at turbonet.com>
      To: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
      Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:36 AM
      Subject: Re: [Vision2020] President Obama at Tucson


      > Roger, this is what was printed on the T-shirts:
      >
      > "Together we thrive"
      >
      > This is truly outrageous, don't you think?  Chuck Kovis
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
      > To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
      > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:57 AM
      > Subject: [Vision2020] President Obama at Tucson
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      >
      >> President Obama gave a good speech at the memorial in Tucson. He set the
      >> right tone for a memorial. Some of the crowds actions and the t-shirts
      >> were not appropriate for a memorial. A political rally, maybe.
      >> Roger
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