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<DIV><FONT size=2>So you would also find inappropriate a joyous New Orleans
style wake? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Here's what I find revealing: </FONT><FONT size=2>By the
nature of many of your posts here you have implicitly styled yourself a champion
of <STRONG>freedom and individuality</STRONG>. Yet you say:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>"A memorial should offer dignity and
solace."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>First, perceptions differ, and I would like to hear from
others on the list about what they think was what was undignified about the
event, and if they thought solace was not offered?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Second, and most important: Why should anyone organizing
a memorial be bound by the stricture to "offer solace and dignity" in some
somber, stilted way suited to your conception, no matter how you came by
it? Where is your respect for the <STRONG>freedom and
individuality</STRONG> of the memorial organizers and participants to mourn and
to start the healing process in they ways they found appropriate and apt?
And with the timing they found appropriate and apt?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>As for the parents of the nine year old, would they feel
bettered supported by what happened rather than having been ignored and
left to their trauma and grief, unshared and apparently unloved by their
community?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I wonder how many here would agree with your characterization
of the memorial as having a "circus atmosphere". People can use words any
way they choose, but the further from the conventional usages they stray, the
more the reveal themselves as out of touch with reality and their fellow
humankind, and the more it appears they are nursing a sour agenda that has more
to do with them themselves than with the part of the universe that is not
them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I for one am very saddened that this tragedy occurred, And I
hope that many influential people from with very diverse world views can
come together to take significant actions that will lower the
probability of such events in the future.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>W.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=lockshop@pull.twcbc.com href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">the
lockshop</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 14, 2011 4:08
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] President Obama
at Tucson</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I guess that part of the problem for me is my pre
Vatican II upbringing. A memorial should offer dignity and solace. It just
seems odd for there to be such a circus atmosphere at an event where among
those in attendance was the parents and loved ones who had yet
to attend the fallens funerals and burial services. Their pain had to have
been intense.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The other part is reducing the event to a slogan
on a T-shirt. I find nothing at all inappropriate in such a
message, I just would have wanted something more. To the parents of
the nine year old it will likely be a good long while before they thrive and
together isn't in the cards for them anymore. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 14, 2011 1:07
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] President
Obama at Tucson</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>What is inappropriate about T-shirts being given at this
memorial?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>They carry what the organizers thought to be an
inspirational message, just as the various speeches, music, homilies, etc
were intended to do. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Is there something inappropriate in using a T-shirt as a
medium for a message rather than TV, air, paper, etc?
Why?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Wouldn't a possessor of the T-shirt be more likely to
remember and be inspired to heed the message and of the tragic events that
occurred? Or is it the message you object to as inappropriate?
If so, why?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR>Wayne A. Fox<BR>1009 Karen Lane<BR>PO Box 9421<BR>Moscow, ID
83843</DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=lockshop@pull.twcbc.com href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">the
lockshop</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ckovis@turbonet.com
href="mailto:ckovis@turbonet.com">Chuck Kovis</A> ; <A
title=lfalen@turbonet.com href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen</A> ;
<A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 14, 2011 12:22
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] President
Obama at Tucson</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Nothing outrageous about the slogan itself but it's a
little weird to be <BR>passing out T-shirts at a memorial. I can't believe
that anyone who watched <BR>the event didn't come away with the feeling
that the whole tone was off for <BR>what would normally a rather somber
event.<BR><BR>g<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Chuck Kovis"
<<A
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"lfalen" <<A
href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</A>>; <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Sent:
Friday, January 14, 2011 11:36 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] President
Obama at Tucson<BR><BR><BR>> Roger, this is what was printed on the
T-shirts:<BR>><BR>> "Together we thrive"<BR>><BR>> This is
truly outrageous, don't you think? Chuck
Kovis<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> From: "lfalen" <<A
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Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:57 AM<BR>> Subject: [Vision2020]
President Obama at Tucson<BR>><BR>><BR>>> President Obama gave
a good speech at the memorial in Tucson. He set the<BR>>> right tone
for a memorial. Some of the crowds actions and the t-shirts<BR>>>
were not appropriate for a memorial. A political rally, maybe.<BR>>>
Roger<BR>>><BR>>>
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