[Vision2020] evil in Tucson

Glenn Schwaller vpschwaller at gmail.com
Tue Jan 11 17:47:04 PST 2011 

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

> 2004? Democratic advisor Mark Penn? Liberal Hollywood?
>
> No wonder you won't use your real name!

Gawrsh JC, ya done went and lost me.  There's an argument and a
connection in your response somewhere?!?!

I'll let you chew on it a bit, and if you need me to connect the dots
to my points and how they pertain to "conservative hate mongering"
and "violent agendas" I can most certainly do that.  I gather that
since you didn't refute the other points you agree with the remaining
95% of my comments.

GS


>>
>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Be fair and find the quotes Roger. I bet you can't. Prove me wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 10:19 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't like those statements either and I quit listening to Gordon Liddey  when he advocated using silhouettes of Bill and Hillary for target practice. To be fair though you should now make a list of similar statement made by people on the left. That list would be just as long or longer.
>>>> Roger
>>>> -----Original message-----
>>>> From: Reggie Holmquist reggieholmquist at u.boisestate.edu
>>>> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:31:43 -0800
>>>> To: the lockshop lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson
>>>>
>>>>>   1.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Rush Limbaugh: "I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough
>>>>>   so we can have two on every campus – living fossils – so we will never
>>>>>   forget what these people stood for."
>>>>>   2.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Senator Phil Gramm: "We're going to keep building the party until we're
>>>>>   hunting Democrats with dogs."
>>>>>   3.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Rep. James Hansen on Bill Clinton: Get rid of the guy. Impreach him,
>>>>>   censure him, assassinate him."
>>>>>   4.
>>>>>
>>>>>   John Derbyshire intimated in the National Review that because Chelsea
>>>>>   Clinton had "the taint," she should "be killed."
>>>>>   5.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Ann Coulter: "We need to execute people like John Walker in order to
>>>>>   physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be
>>>>>   killed, too."
>>>>>   6.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Ann Coulter: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the
>>>>>   New York Times building."
>>>>>   7.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Bill O'Reilly: "ll those clowns over at the liberal radio network, we
>>>>>   could incarcerate them immediately. Will you have that done, please? Send
>>>>>   over the FBI and just put them in chains."
>>>>>   8.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Clear Channel radio host Glenn Beck said he was "thinking about killing
>>>>>   Michael Moore" and pondered whether "I could kill him myself, or if I would
>>>>>   need to hire somebody to do it," before concluding: "No, I think I could I
>>>>>   think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be
>>>>>   choking the life out -- is this wrong?"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:26 PM, the lockshop <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No "two wrongs" game being played anywhere I can see. In your earlier
>>>>>> posts you rather shrilly insisted that the "violent rhetoric" was a one
>>>>>> sided phenomenon emanating predominantly from the right and I offered a few
>>>>>> examples to show your error. Nothing more and nothing less. I did not
>>>>>> contend that anything was OK because the other side was doing it as well. My
>>>>>> reason for responding to you at all was that I think that using tragedy to
>>>>>> attempt to score cheap political points is not helpful to say the very
>>>>>> least.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to your question of where I stand on the issue, it depends on your
>>>>>> sensibilities and semantics. I have no real problem with analogy such as
>>>>>> Obama used nor with NSA's. On the other hand, if you say that BHO is evil
>>>>>> incarnate, is responsible for all that is ailling the country and must be
>>>>>> stopped immeadiately by any and all means possible, I think you've stepped
>>>>>> over the edge in the same way that showing photos of GWB with captions
>>>>>> saying 'assassinate this man' are over the top. One is analogy and the other
>>>>>> is incitement and it doesn't require genius to tell the difference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any compitition it's natural to use terms of conflict such as beat,
>>>>>> fight, target, eliminate and so on and a reasonable person understands this
>>>>>> and doesn't read more into it then is intended. A lunatic might hear it and
>>>>>> do something awful. They might also hear something quite innocuous and
>>>>>> freak. Should we tip toe about and censor our every word so as not to set
>>>>>> off the nut balls? Or should the rhetoric police relax and realize that
>>>>>> the crazies will sometimes go off for reasons indecipherable by the sane.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> g
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
>>>>>> Cc: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:37 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You keep playing this "two wrongs" game.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to know where you stand on it. My view is that violent
>>>>>> rhetoric is wrong. It was wrong for Obama to make that kind of comment
>>>>>> if it was directed toward his political enemies. Just because I'm a
>>>>>> Democrat and voted for him doesn't make it right. What's your view? Do
>>>>>> you think it was wrong for him to say this and that such violent
>>>>>> rhetoric, directed at one's political opponents is wrong? Or do you
>>>>>> think it is OK for folks to say this sort of thing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The view can't be that it was wrong for Obama but not for, say, NSA or
>>>>>> Palin. But which is: wrong for both groups or OK for both? I think it
>>>>>> is wrong for both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:40 AM, the lockshop <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I assume that by violent rhetoric you would include comments made by
>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> who are the last word in "viable presidential candidate."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in
>>>>>>> Philadelphia last night. “Because from what I understand, folks in Philly
>>>>>>> like a good brawl..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess from now on instead of targeting voters, candidates, or positions
>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> will speak of humanely capturing them to returned to a safe area where
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> can live out the remained of their lives surrounded by love and comfort> >
>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>>>>> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 10:05 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson
>>>>>>>> Furthermore . . .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ONLY person that should be held directly responsible for the murders
>>>>>>>> in Tuscon is Jared Loughner.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However . . .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The grandizing by Phelps of such heinous murderous activity as that
>>>>>>>> committed by Loughner takes on an even worse stench when coupled with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> "target map" and comments like "Don't retread, reload" and "Second
>>>>>>>> amendment remedies" feed the imbalanced minds of those like Jared
>>>>>> Loughner
>>>>>>>> with a false sense of patriotism when they commit such acts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Certainly, average, well-adjust people can easily distinguish between
>>>>>>>> controversial commentary and violent rhetoric, but . . .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How many Jared Loughners are we to confront before sources of such
>>>>>>>> rhetoric are called in to account?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, January 10, 2011 9:47 am, keely emerinemix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It took all of five minutes, Visionaires, for my conscience to to
>>>>>> remind
>>>>>>>>> me that describing even someone as evil as Fred Phelps as less than
>>>>>> human
>>>>>>>>> was wrong of me. I believe his works to be those of an evil man,
>>>>>>>>> something I can't imagine anyone not named "Phelps" would disagree with
>>>>>>>>> and something I think Scripture would affirm, but I used language in
>>>>>>>>> anger
>>>>>>>>> that I have criticized in others, and I'm sorry for it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I trust that if Dale Courtney uses my initial Phelps post on his blog,
>>>>>>>>> he'll have the integrity to refer to this one as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Keely
>>>>>>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>>>>>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:35:11 -0800
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My brother in Tucson says that unmitigated barbarian evil in the form
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the Rev. Fred Phelps will descend later this week on the city as the
>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>> victims of the shooting will be released from the hospital and funerals
>>>>>>>>> for the dead will begin. Phelps will be praising God for the massacre
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> lauding the work of Jared Lee Loughner.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The description of Phelps above is mine; my angry and distraught
>>>>>>>>> brother's
>>>>>>>>> words were utterly unfit for quoting, just as Phelps' is utterly unfit
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> claim the title "Reverend," or even the designation "human."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Keely
>>>>>>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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