[Vision2020] evil in Tucson
lfalen
lfalen at turbonet.com
Tue Jan 11 10:19:43 PST 2011
I don't like those statements either and I quit listening to Gordon Liddey when he advocated using silhouettes of Bill and Hillary for target practice. To be fair though you should now make a list of similar statement made by people on the left. That list would be just as long or longer.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Reggie Holmquist reggieholmquist at u.boisestate.edu
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:31:43 -0800
To: the lockshop lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson
> 1.
>
> Rush Limbaugh: "I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough
> so we can have two on every campus – living fossils – so we will never
> forget what these people stood for."
> 2.
>
> Senator Phil Gramm: "We're going to keep building the party until we're
> hunting Democrats with dogs."
> 3.
>
> Rep. James Hansen on Bill Clinton: Get rid of the guy. Impreach him,
> censure him, assassinate him."
> 4.
>
> John Derbyshire intimated in the National Review that because Chelsea
> Clinton had "the taint," she should "be killed."
> 5.
>
> Ann Coulter: "We need to execute people like John Walker in order to
> physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be
> killed, too."
> 6.
>
> Ann Coulter: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the
> New York Times building."
> 7.
>
> Bill O'Reilly: "ll those clowns over at the liberal radio network, we
> could incarcerate them immediately. Will you have that done, please? Send
> over the FBI and just put them in chains."
> 8.
>
> Clear Channel radio host Glenn Beck said he was "thinking about killing
> Michael Moore" and pondered whether "I could kill him myself, or if I would
> need to hire somebody to do it," before concluding: "No, I think I could I
> think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be
> choking the life out -- is this wrong?"
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:26 PM, the lockshop <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>wrote:
>
> > No "two wrongs" game being played anywhere I can see. In your earlier
> > posts you rather shrilly insisted that the "violent rhetoric" was a one
> > sided phenomenon emanating predominantly from the right and I offered a few
> > examples to show your error. Nothing more and nothing less. I did not
> > contend that anything was OK because the other side was doing it as well. My
> > reason for responding to you at all was that I think that using tragedy to
> > attempt to score cheap political points is not helpful to say the very
> > least.
> >
> > As to your question of where I stand on the issue, it depends on your
> > sensibilities and semantics. I have no real problem with analogy such as
> > Obama used nor with NSA's. On the other hand, if you say that BHO is evil
> > incarnate, is responsible for all that is ailling the country and must be
> > stopped immeadiately by any and all means possible, I think you've stepped
> > over the edge in the same way that showing photos of GWB with captions
> > saying 'assassinate this man' are over the top. One is analogy and the other
> > is incitement and it doesn't require genius to tell the difference.
> >
> > In any compitition it's natural to use terms of conflict such as beat,
> > fight, target, eliminate and so on and a reasonable person understands this
> > and doesn't read more into it then is intended. A lunatic might hear it and
> > do something awful. They might also hear something quite innocuous and
> > freak. Should we tip toe about and censor our every word so as not to set
> > off the nut balls? Or should the rhetoric police relax and realize that
> > the crazies will sometimes go off for reasons indecipherable by the sane.
> >
> >
> >
> > g
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> > To: "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
> > Cc: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson
> >
> > Gary,
> >
> > You keep playing this "two wrongs" game.
> >
> > I'd like to know where you stand on it. My view is that violent
> > rhetoric is wrong. It was wrong for Obama to make that kind of comment
> > if it was directed toward his political enemies. Just because I'm a
> > Democrat and voted for him doesn't make it right. What's your view? Do
> > you think it was wrong for him to say this and that such violent
> > rhetoric, directed at one's political opponents is wrong? Or do you
> > think it is OK for folks to say this sort of thing?
> >
> > The view can't be that it was wrong for Obama but not for, say, NSA or
> > Palin. But which is: wrong for both groups or OK for both? I think it
> > is wrong for both.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:40 AM, the lockshop <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I assume that by violent rhetoric you would include comments made by
> > those
> > > who are the last word in "viable presidential candidate."
> > >
> > > "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in
> > > Philadelphia last night. “Because from what I understand, folks in Philly
> > > like a good brawl..."
> > >
> > > I guess from now on instead of targeting voters, candidates, or positions
> > we
> > > will speak of humanely capturing them to returned to a safe area where
> > they
> > > can live out the remained of their lives surrounded by love and comfort> >
> > > g
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> > > To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 10:05 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson
> > >> Furthermore . . .
> > >>
> > >> The ONLY person that should be held directly responsible for the murders
> > >> in Tuscon is Jared Loughner.
> > >>
> > >> However . . .
> > >>
> > >> The grandizing by Phelps of such heinous murderous activity as that
> > >> committed by Loughner takes on an even worse stench when coupled with
> > the
> > >> "target map" and comments like "Don't retread, reload" and "Second
> > >> amendment remedies" feed the imbalanced minds of those like Jared
> > Loughner
> > >> with a false sense of patriotism when they commit such acts.
> > >>
> > >> Certainly, average, well-adjust people can easily distinguish between
> > >> controversial commentary and violent rhetoric, but . . .
> > >>
> > >> How many Jared Loughners are we to confront before sources of such
> > >> rhetoric are called in to account?
> > >>
> > >> Tom Hansen
> > >> Moscow, Idaho
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, January 10, 2011 9:47 am, keely emerinemix wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> It took all of five minutes, Visionaires, for my conscience to to
> > remind
> > >>> me that describing even someone as evil as Fred Phelps as less than
> > human
> > >>> was wrong of me. I believe his works to be those of an evil man,
> > >>> something I can't imagine anyone not named "Phelps" would disagree with
> > >>> and something I think Scripture would affirm, but I used language in
> > >>> anger
> > >>> that I have criticized in others, and I'm sorry for it.
> > >>>
> > >>> I trust that if Dale Courtney uses my initial Phelps post on his blog,
> > >>> he'll have the integrity to refer to this one as well.
> > >>>
> > >>> Keely
> > >>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
> > >>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >>> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:35:11 -0800
> > >>> Subject: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> My brother in Tucson says that unmitigated barbarian evil in the form
> > of
> > >>> the Rev. Fred Phelps will descend later this week on the city as the
> > >>> first
> > >>> victims of the shooting will be released from the hospital and funerals
> > >>> for the dead will begin. Phelps will be praising God for the massacre
> > >>> and
> > >>> lauding the work of Jared Lee Loughner.
> > >>>
> > >>> The description of Phelps above is mine; my angry and distraught
> > >>> brother's
> > >>> words were utterly unfit for quoting, just as Phelps' is utterly unfit
> > to
> > >>> claim the title "Reverend," or even the designation "human."
> > >>>
> > >>> Keely
> > >>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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> > >>
> > >> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
> > change
> > >> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> > >>
> > >> - Unknown
> > >>
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