[Vision2020] evil in Tucson

Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Tue Jan 11 13:45:46 PST 2011


Be fair and find the quotes Roger. I bet you can't. Prove me wrong.



On Jan 11, 2011, at 10:19 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:

> I don't like those statements either and I quit listening to Gordon Liddey  when he advocated using silhouettes of Bill and Hillary for target practice. To be fair though you should now make a list of similar statement made by people on the left. That list would be just as long or longer.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Reggie Holmquist reggieholmquist at u.boisestate.edu
> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:31:43 -0800
> To: the lockshop lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson
> 
>>   1.
>> 
>>   Rush Limbaugh: "I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough
>>   so we can have two on every campus – living fossils – so we will never
>>   forget what these people stood for."
>>   2.
>> 
>>   Senator Phil Gramm: "We're going to keep building the party until we're
>>   hunting Democrats with dogs."
>>   3.
>> 
>>   Rep. James Hansen on Bill Clinton: Get rid of the guy. Impreach him,
>>   censure him, assassinate him."
>>   4.
>> 
>>   John Derbyshire intimated in the National Review that because Chelsea
>>   Clinton had "the taint," she should "be killed."
>>   5.
>> 
>>   Ann Coulter: "We need to execute people like John Walker in order to
>>   physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be
>>   killed, too."
>>   6.
>> 
>>   Ann Coulter: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the
>>   New York Times building."
>>   7.
>> 
>>   Bill O'Reilly: "ll those clowns over at the liberal radio network, we
>>   could incarcerate them immediately. Will you have that done, please? Send
>>   over the FBI and just put them in chains."
>>   8.
>> 
>>   Clear Channel radio host Glenn Beck said he was "thinking about killing
>>   Michael Moore" and pondered whether "I could kill him myself, or if I would
>>   need to hire somebody to do it," before concluding: "No, I think I could I
>>   think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be
>>   choking the life out -- is this wrong?"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:26 PM, the lockshop <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> No "two wrongs" game being played anywhere I can see. In your earlier
>>> posts you rather shrilly insisted that the "violent rhetoric" was a one
>>> sided phenomenon emanating predominantly from the right and I offered a few
>>> examples to show your error. Nothing more and nothing less. I did not
>>> contend that anything was OK because the other side was doing it as well. My
>>> reason for responding to you at all was that I think that using tragedy to
>>> attempt to score cheap political points is not helpful to say the very
>>> least.
>>> 
>>> As to your question of where I stand on the issue, it depends on your
>>> sensibilities and semantics. I have no real problem with analogy such as
>>> Obama used nor with NSA's. On the other hand, if you say that BHO is evil
>>> incarnate, is responsible for all that is ailling the country and must be
>>> stopped immeadiately by any and all means possible, I think you've stepped
>>> over the edge in the same way that showing photos of GWB with captions
>>> saying 'assassinate this man' are over the top. One is analogy and the other
>>> is incitement and it doesn't require genius to tell the difference.
>>> 
>>> In any compitition it's natural to use terms of conflict such as beat,
>>> fight, target, eliminate and so on and a reasonable person understands this
>>> and doesn't read more into it then is intended. A lunatic might hear it and
>>> do something awful. They might also hear something quite innocuous and
>>> freak. Should we tip toe about and censor our every word so as not to set
>>> off the nut balls? Or should the rhetoric police relax and realize that
>>> the crazies will sometimes go off for reasons indecipherable by the sane.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> g
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>>> To: "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
>>> Cc: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson
>>> 
>>> Gary,
>>> 
>>> You keep playing this "two wrongs" game.
>>> 
>>> I'd like to know where you stand on it. My view is that violent
>>> rhetoric is wrong. It was wrong for Obama to make that kind of comment
>>> if it was directed toward his political enemies. Just because I'm a
>>> Democrat and voted for him doesn't make it right. What's your view? Do
>>> you think it was wrong for him to say this and that such violent
>>> rhetoric, directed at one's political opponents is wrong? Or do you
>>> think it is OK for folks to say this sort of thing?
>>> 
>>> The view can't be that it was wrong for Obama but not for, say, NSA or
>>> Palin. But which is: wrong for both groups or OK for both? I think it
>>> is wrong for both.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:40 AM, the lockshop <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I assume that by violent rhetoric you would include comments made by
>>> those
>>>> who are the last word in "viable presidential candidate."
>>>> 
>>>> "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in
>>>> Philadelphia last night. “Because from what I understand, folks in Philly
>>>> like a good brawl..."
>>>> 
>>>> I guess from now on instead of targeting voters, candidates, or positions
>>> we
>>>> will speak of humanely capturing them to returned to a safe area where
>>> they
>>>> can live out the remained of their lives surrounded by love and comfort> >
>>>> g
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 10:05 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson
>>>>> Furthermore . . .
>>>>> 
>>>>> The ONLY person that should be held directly responsible for the murders
>>>>> in Tuscon is Jared Loughner.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However . . .
>>>>> 
>>>>> The grandizing by Phelps of such heinous murderous activity as that
>>>>> committed by Loughner takes on an even worse stench when coupled with
>>> the
>>>>> "target map" and comments like "Don't retread, reload" and "Second
>>>>> amendment remedies" feed the imbalanced minds of those like Jared
>>> Loughner
>>>>> with a false sense of patriotism when they commit such acts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Certainly, average, well-adjust people can easily distinguish between
>>>>> controversial commentary and violent rhetoric, but . . .
>>>>> 
>>>>> How many Jared Loughners are we to confront before sources of such
>>>>> rhetoric are called in to account?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, January 10, 2011 9:47 am, keely emerinemix wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It took all of five minutes, Visionaires, for my conscience to to
>>> remind
>>>>>> me that describing even someone as evil as Fred Phelps as less than
>>> human
>>>>>> was wrong of me. I believe his works to be those of an evil man,
>>>>>> something I can't imagine anyone not named "Phelps" would disagree with
>>>>>> and something I think Scripture would affirm, but I used language in
>>>>>> anger
>>>>>> that I have criticized in others, and I'm sorry for it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I trust that if Dale Courtney uses my initial Phelps post on his blog,
>>>>>> he'll have the integrity to refer to this one as well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Keely
>>>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:35:11 -0800
>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My brother in Tucson says that unmitigated barbarian evil in the form
>>> of
>>>>>> the Rev. Fred Phelps will descend later this week on the city as the
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> victims of the shooting will be released from the hospital and funerals
>>>>>> for the dead will begin. Phelps will be praising God for the massacre
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> lauding the work of Jared Lee Loughner.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The description of Phelps above is mine; my angry and distraught
>>>>>> brother's
>>>>>> words were utterly unfit for quoting, just as Phelps' is utterly unfit
>>> to
>>>>>> claim the title "Reverend," or even the designation "human."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Keely
>>>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
>>> change
>>>>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Unknown
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