[Vision2020] Good morning campers - It's installment #19-Encouragement
lfalen
lfalen at turbonet.com
Fri Jan 7 10:27:08 PST 2011
I agree with a lot of what you say. The cuts should be in government. The start should be in congress. Reduce their pay and benefits. Fat chance of that happening though. An other thing that should be done is to review all agencies that have been created. If they no longer serve the purpose they were created for they should be eliminated. All new legislation on new agencies should come with a sunset clause. at which time they would automatically cease to exist. It would take new legislation to keep them going.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Chuck Kovis" ckovis at turbonet.com
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:42:14 -0800
To: "the lockshop" lockshop at pull.twcbc.com, "Jeff Harkins" jeffh at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Good morning campers - It's installment #19-Encouragement
> You should take what I am saying with a grain of salt. I don't give a damn that someone makes a billion dollars a year. More power to them. I am just saying, why should a guy working for 8 bucks an hour work for 62,500 years to make the same? I am a tea party person when it comes to exposing the government largesse. Fanny and Freddie? It went to the banks. Let the world know. Why should we, as Jeff suggests, get ready to pay the piper? Why should the "people" have to prepare for austerity? The federal government budget is $1.2 trillion. Where does the money go? Where does it go? My point is that it ain't going to the little guy. It's going to the corporations and the people who are already wealthy. Why should the $8.00 per hour guy pay it back? They didn't get to see any of the action. The "inovative, industrious, and prosperous " did. The guy who puts the food on your table didn't see any action - to hell with paying it back. The hedge fund managers, n!
ow there
is a group of individuals who really make this country rock and roll.
>
> Watch social security. Instead of paying the 6.2% rate, it is going to be 4.2% for 2011. Try and roll that back. Underfunded and poorly managed my ass. Both the chickenshit democrats and the corporate republicans like that. We are entering some interesting times. You and I are actually on the same side. You just don't know it. Chuck Kovis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: the lockshop
> To: Chuck Kovis ; Jeff Harkins ; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Good morning campers - It's installment #19 -Encouragement
>
>
> "When is enough, enough?"
>
> Isn't that a question for the individual? Or perhaps it's a decision that should be made for them them by folks who imagine that they know better.
>
> I'm having a difficult time grasping your point. These people you are railing against already pay the lion share of all the taxes, is your ire up because they don't pay them all?
>
> "...time to kick the unions in the teeth..."
>
> Who got kicked in the choppers when it came to the Chrysler/GM bailout? It sure as hell wasn't the UAW. Secured creditors and people caught holding the "old GM" stock payed through the nose for the current administration to say thank you to that voting block.
>
> "...jerk back those pensions that were worked for over the years..."
>
> The fact that the pension plans were under funded and poorly managed from the get go is the fault of the inovative, industrious, and prosperous how, exactly? Perhaps if the plans had been placed in the hands of those you castigate they would not be in the sorry shape that they are in.
>
> g
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Kovis" <ckovis at turbonet.com>
> To: "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>; "Jeff Harkins" <jeffh at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 12:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Good morning campers - It's installment #19 -Encouragement
>
>
> > Again, I didn't say anything about taking it away from the hedge fund
> > managers. I am just saying, why do people have to "sacrifice" when 25
> > people make a billion dollars apiece? Why should people work their tails
> > off for $8.00 bucks an hour when another man/woman makes a billion dollars a
> > year? What's the point? Pull themselves up by the bootstraps? Should we
> > "encourage" those guys/gals to work harder? That they are going to get
> > ahead? When is enough, enough? Should we close our schools as part of the
> > sacrifice? Should we go back to gravel freeways? Should the military go
> > back to chuckin' spears? Because, you know, I sure wouldn't want to stop
> > those billionaires from donating at least half of their legally gotten gains
> > to charity. BTW, the owner of Facebook, if he gave away 99% of his wealth,
> > he would still be worth 450 million dollars. Now, that is what I would call
> > a REAL sacrifice. But, can't ask him to sacrifice that much, now, can we?
> > But, it's time to kick the unions in the teeth, jerk back those pensions
> > that were worked for over the years, and feel some real pain. I can't wait
> > til Ron Paul investigates the feds. We'll see how far that goes. All that
> > money, you know, went to those dumb bastards that paid too much for their
> > houses. Let the sacrifice begin. Oh, did I miss the reading of the
> > Constitution? Can't wait 'till they get to the part about "In all Cases
> > affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, the supreme Court
> > shall have original Jurisdiction." Chuck Kovis
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
> > To: "Chuck Kovis" <ckovis at turbonet.com>; "Jeff Harkins" <jeffh at moscow.com>;
> > <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Good morning campers - It's installment
> > #19 -Encouragement
> >
> >
> >> Its funny how taking what belongs to others against their will is the sin
> >> of stealing when it comes to you and me but its "spreading the wealth
> >> around" when it comes to "progressive" government.
> >>
> >> g
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Chuck Kovis" <ckovis at turbonet.com>
> >> To: "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>; "Jeff Harkins"
> >> <jeffh at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 8:03 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Good morning campers - It's installment
> >> #19 -Encouragement
> >>
> >>
> >>> Who said anything about taking it away from them? I said, why should
> >>> ANYONE
> >>> sacrifice when 25 people make 1 billion dollars apiece. Funny that
> >>> gluttony
> >>> is a sin when it comes to food, but not when it comes to "earning" money.
> >>> Just an observation. Chuck Kovis
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
> >>> To: "Chuck Kovis" <ckovis at turbonet.com>; "Jeff Harkins"
> >>> <jeffh at moscow.com>;
> >>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 7:45 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Good morning campers - It's installment
> >>> #19 -Encouragement
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Why is it a "vice" to make a large sum of money? For all you know these
> >>>> guys are donating 50% of their after tax income to charity. To decide
> >>>> that
> >>>> someone else has "too much money" and then decide to take some of it
> >>>> away
> >>>> at gunpoint because you think you could spend it more wisely strikes me
> >>>> as
> >>>> far more immoral.
> >>>>
> >>>> g
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Chuck Kovis" <ckovis at turbonet.com>
> >>>> To: "Jeff Harkins" <jeffh at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 7:32 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Good morning campers - It's installment
> >>>> #19 -Encouragement
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Why should ANYONE sacrifice when the top 25 hedge fund managers each
> >>>>> made
> >>>>> more than a BILLION dollars in salary and bonuses last year? Talk
> >>>>> about
> >>>>> virtues. How about vices? Chuck Kovis
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Jeff Harkins" <jeffh at moscow.com>
> >>>>> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:08 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Good morning campers - It's installment #19 -
> >>>>> Encouragement
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Sometimes facts are scary things. And sometimes scary facts
> >>>>>> encourage
> >>>>>> people to do things to deal with the scary facts. Sometimes it takes
> >>>>>> scary things to encourage people to address their fears and deal with
> >>>>>> reality.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "After years of deficit financing for state and local government
> >>>>>>> (dems
> >>>>>>> and repubs), it is time to begin to pay for the music.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fact
> >>>>>>> "Here is a teaser intro to get folks to focus on the problems we are
> >>>>>>> now
> >>>>>>> facing. Before you gnash your teeth and wring your hands in despair,
> >>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>> sure to link to the full article - then let the gnashing begin.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fact
> >>>>>>> "We, as a nation and a republic of states are in serious fiscal
> >>>>>>> condition. Our present situation is NOT SUSTAINABLE. Each U.S.
> >>>>>>> citizen
> >>>>>>> is going to sacrifice - over the next several decades."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fact
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Let's make the sacrifice count. Let's do it well. Let's fix the
> >>>>>> problem.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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