[Vision2020] Love

[Jeff Harkins]

  Thanks for your input.  Of course, the www.values.com site features an 
easy means of posting comments.  They also encourage folks to make 
suggestions for improving all features on the site, including values 
definitions.

As to the educational attributes of those responsible for developing the 
site, you might want to ask them.

You might consider some of the values before you write to them to 
express your concerns about their "platitudes" - just a thought!

Hope you find the remaining values interesting, thought provoking and 
inspiring.

On 1/3/2011 9:18 AM, Art Deco wrote:
> It may be wise to remember in a discussion of values the following 
> paraphrase of a quotation from English Philosopher John Locke:
> "When comparing two ideas, it is necessary to have a clear and 
> distinct idea of each."
> Or its modern statement:
> "When comparing two statements or theories, the clearer, less vague 
> and ambiguous statement(s) of and definitions used in each, the better 
> the chance of meaningfully determining the truth, or in the case of 
> values, the correct application, or least discovering the roots of 
> agreement or disagreement."
> Somehow the author of the list which we have been presented seems not 
> to have appreciated the above recommendations, nor has the author 
> appreciated the wisdom of Aristotle about the virtues and the mean -- 
> avoiding excesses in either direction.  The author, if she/he really 
> had an open mind about the nature of value statements, might try 
> taking Ethics 101.  The author might then discover that determining 
> the truth, if there is such, or correct application, if there is 
> such, of value statements is quite a bit more complicated than giving 
> a list of platitudes.
> Values are not like gravity or electricity where erroneous statements 
> are confronted by hard reality.
> w.
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Jeff Harkins <mailto:jeffh at moscow.com>
>     *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, January 02, 2011 11:14 AM
>     *Subject:* [Vision2020] Love
>
>       The comments on the "love" value have been interesting and
>     thought-provoking.
>
>     Many of you seem disappointed that the values lack "precision" and/or
>     "perfection" in the definitions - or perhaps fail to match your
>     "feelings" about love (or any of the other values).
>
>     Couple of thoughts -
>
>     I too have felt the definitions have not been as robust as I would
>     like,
>     but upon reflection, I think the definitions are intended to
>     encourage
>     conversation about the values and to gain perspectives about how our
>     beliefs might legitimately differ from others.
>
>     As well, it seems to me that the whole point of thinking about these
>     "values" is to identify our own feelings about who we are and to
>     be able
>     to appreciate how we might alter our own self image.  Case in
>     point, if
>     you viewed the TV spot for love (entitled Everlasting Love), the
>     message
>     communicates (at least to me) a depth of love that transcends age,
>     gender, experience, wisdom, status - e.g., the "love between
>     father and
>     daughter" -  For me, I have a very different feeling about love
>     and my
>     relationship with my soul mate.
>
>     The quotations and lyrics you all have cited about love have been
>     terrific - very diverse.
>
>     Here is one that has always been "interesting" to me:
>
>     "It is not virtue, wisdom, valour, wit, strength, comeliness of
>     shape or
>     amplest merit, that woman's love can win, or long inherit; but
>     what it
>     is, hard is to say, harder to hit" [John Milton - Samson Agonistes]
>
>     That said,
>
>     Isn't love a feeling?
>     Isn't love warm?
>     Isn't love personal?
>     Isn't love a "bonding"?
>
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