[Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism

Sat Dec 31 18:26:54 PST 2011

I admit that there are some of Ron Paul's concepts to which I agree, such as those mentioned by Sunil.  However, those concepts are insufficient to attract my support when weighed against those concepts with which I disagree.

He is simply not the individual I want answering the 3:00 AM call in the White House.

Seeya later, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Spokane, Washington

"If not us, who?
If not now, when?"

- Unknown

On Dec 31, 2011, at 6:12 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Let's for one moment assume that Paul is a racist. I'm not saying he is, just assume he is so that issue doesn't need to be discussed for a minute.
> 
> Is he wrong on ending our wars? Is he wrong on cutting the defense budget? Is he wrong about the Patriot Act? Is he wrong about the Executive Branch seizing powers it should not have?
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> What say you, Keely, Wayne, Saundra, Tom?
> 
> Sunil
> 
> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:20:01 -0800
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> To: deco at moscow.com
> CC: Vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism
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> 
> He has admitted to putting out an investment newsletter that (as far as I can tell) was not one of the newsletters that printed the racist comments.  It had all sorts of conspiracy theories about what will happen to people trying to deal in large amounts of cash, most of which have come true - just not in the way he thought.  Try taking a large pile of cash through airport security and see how well that goes.
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> Another distraction attempt, supposedly a smoking gun, apparently succeeds in its goals.  Or maybe this is just jumping on the bandwagon, since it is the Daily Mail, after all.
> 
> Paul
> 
> On 12/31/2011 04:44 PM, Art Deco wrote:
> See:
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> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078217/Ron-Paul-racist-homophobic-newsletters-Video-taking-credit.html
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> Scroll down to see the videos of Paul Himself acknowledging the letters, etc.
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> All javascript scripts must be allowed in order to see the whole article including the videos.
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> w.
> 
> From: Paul Rumelhart
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: keely emerinemix
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism
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> Does it matter whether or not the allegations are true?  Or do we just call them out anyway?
> 
> Here is an article from CBS News about the newsletters: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57345702-503544/ron-paul-disavows-racist-newsletters-under-his-name/
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> The article contains a quote by Ron Paul on the issue:  
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> "When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product," he said. "For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name."
> 
> I'd hate to see the man dragged over the coals for something he might not have deserved solely because (for example) Jon Huntsman is losing to Ron Paul in New Hampshire and has staked his campaign on a strong showing there.
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> I got that last bit from this article: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57349712-503544/huntsman-calls-ron-paul-unelectable-because-of-racist-newsletters/
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> And once again, this is only out there in order to distract us.  These people could care less if it's even true.  It's just convenient.
> 
> Paul
> 
> On 12/31/2011 02:44 PM, keely emerinemix wrote:
> I don't think you're defending racism, racist behavior, or even the wrongness of screaming "He's a racist!" at the slightest apparent provocation.  That said, I think it's imperative that legitimate indications that an individual's views on race/gender/class/civil rights/culture are bigoted be called out, examined, and condemned -- and I believe that the text of Ron Paul's newsletters are an example.  
> 
> Keely
> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
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> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism
> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:41:13 -0800
> From: jborden at datawedge.com
> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com; v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm; vision2020 at moscow.com
> 
> I’m not *defending* racism, I’m commenting on the mere finger-pointing and accusations being so charged that it’s a nuclear weapon in a political arsenal. 
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> It’s used as a tool for distraction, and hence, theatrics.  (And, unless I missed the mark, perhaps Mr. Rumelhart’s point).
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> Insert story of “crying wolf”.
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> Jay
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> From: keely emerinemix [mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:27 PM
> To: Jay Borden; v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism
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> Jay, I would rue the day that racist behavior and bigoted views become irrelevant in how we choose our leaders.  There are issues that truly good people can disagree on; racism, however, is never the view of a "truly good person," and in fact ought to, by virtue of popular outcry, immediately make a pariah out of the one who embraces it.
> 
> Keely
> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> 
> 
> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:17:33 -0800
> From: jborden at datawedge.com
> To: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism
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> I would agree with Paul’s statement… but I would word it a bit differently to deflect some of the immediate hatred I’m sure will be heading my way.
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