[Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Fri Dec 30 09:47:16 PST 2011
If he does what I think he'll do if he gets into office, he'll veto
anything that he finds to be unconstitutional. This will, at the very
least, help stop abuses like the Patriot Act and increases in funding
for DHS. Even if Congress can come up with enough votes to override the
veto, issues like this will suddenly be at the forefront of the
"national conversation" about what's going on in government. For this
alone, I'd like to see him get in there.
Paul
On 12/30/2011 09:29 AM, Art Deco wrote:
> I agree with Rumelhart to the extent that things in this country [and
> globally] are broken beyond the traditional politicians' ways
> of repairing them. We need bold, realistic, non-poll-driven leaders
> who can convince us to re-evaluate our situation, offer feasible
> solutions, and to convince us to make the inevitable selfless
> sacrifices necessary.
> Though not traditional, I do not think Ron Paul is one of those leaders.
> His view of the world and his positions are too simplistic for the
> complex, diverse, globally competitive world we live in. The latest
> revelations have shown that his integrity does not rise above the
> minimum standard. The simplicity of his views are his main attraction
> to many, but reality is the barricade to his views ever producing
> workable solutions -- they would be even more disastrous than the
> messes we now face.
> In addition, some of his views are so abhorrent and/or crackpotty that
> he would not be likely to convince congress to implement them in the
> face of public opinion.
> Having said that, I am unable to suggest any leader or group of
> leaders that seem capable of fixing things. The best I can hope for
> is that we elect the lesser of the evils, at least by a little, to
> struggle on.
> I'm glad I'm old and not likely to live too much longer. I don't not
> want to see the result of where the world is heading and the
> foolishness of those in power resisting what needs to be done to
> change that direction.
> w.
>
> *From:* Sunil Ramalingam <mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 30, 2011 7:54 AM
> *Cc:* vision 2020 <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign
>
> Why doesn't the NYT address Paul's stances on foreign policy? On
> defense spending?
>
> Sunil
>
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> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:38:24 -0800
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>
> To: deco at moscow.com <mailto:deco at moscow.com>
> CC: Vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign
>
>
> I'm beginning to believe that Ron Paul is our only hope to stop the
> downslope this country is on. For example, the Transportation
> Security Administration just got an extra $7.85 billion in funding for
> 2012, including several hundred million dollars of funding for whole
> body imagers. This passed both the House and the Senate. Does anyone
> here actually believe that terrorism is a personally actionable
> danger? Do you change your behavior at all due to the threat? Do you
> think all the security theater is worth the money?
>
> Ron Paul is about the only guy out there that votes against this kind
> of crap. Pretty much everybody else, (R) or (D), votes it in. All
> they seem to argue about is who is getting the pork.
>
> As I see it, your choices are 1) the same old shit, but next year
> having slipped even farther away from rationality or 2) this one
> bat-shit crazy dude that might actually try to do something about it.
>
> One thing I've noticed this year is that Ron Paul is actually getting
> press. There was a massive grassroots campaign for him the last
> couple of elections, but nobody in the media would take him seriously
> as an actual candidate.
>
> The fact that they have started the smear campaign means that there is
> actually a chance of getting him in office.
>
> My advice? Don't vote for the person that looks like the most
> responsible Dad, or the guy that looks like he's someone you could
> have a beer with, or the one that looks like a he's a successful
> lawyer. All of those guys are going to perpetuate the power grab that
> has been going on for the last few decades.
>
> Vote for the dude that puts the fear of God into the others. Vote for
> the one that will work to decrease their power, not the others that
> only want to increase it for personal gain.
>
> Sure, he's a bag of mixed nuts sometimes. But he's the only one with
> half a chance to shake things up a bit.
>
> This should be a fun election year.
>
> Paul
>
> On 12/28/2011 11:35 AM, Art Deco wrote:
>
>
>
> # The New York Times <http://www.nytimes.com/> Reprints
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/opinion/mr-pauls-discredited-campaign.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha211&pagewanted=print#>
>
>
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> December 27, 2011
>
>
> Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign
>
> Ron Paul long ago disqualified himself for the presidency by
> peddling claptrap proposals like abolishing the Federal Reserve,
> returning to the gold standard, cutting a third of the federal
> budget and all foreign aid and opposing the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
> Now, making things worse, he has failed to convincingly repudiate
> racist remarks that were published under his name for years — or
> the enthusiastic support he is getting from racist groups.
> Mr. Paul, a Republican congressman from Texas who is doing
> particularly well in Iowa’s precaucus polls, published several
> newsletters in the ’80s and ’90s with names like the Ron Paul
> Survival Report and the Ron Paul Political Report. The newsletters
> interspersed libertarian political and investment commentary with
> racial bigotry, anti-Semitism and far-right paranoia.
> Among other offensive statements, the newsletters said that 95
> percent of Washington’s black males were criminals
> <http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/22/v-print/133898/paul-walks-out-of-interview-over.html>,
> and they described the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday
> as “Hate Whitey Day.” One 1993 article
> <http://www.tnr.com/sites/default/files/January1993.pdf> appeared
> under a headline lamenting the country’s “disappearing white
> majority.” Other articles suggested that the Mossad, the Israeli
> intelligence service, was responsible for the 1993 World Trade
> Center bombing, praised the Louisiana racist David Duke and
> accused some gay men with AIDS of deliberately spreading the
> disease
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html?ref=politics&pagewanted=all>,
> “perhaps out of a pathological hatred.”
> A direct-mail ad
> <http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE7BM03320111223>
> for the newsletters from around 1993 warned of a “coming race war
> in our big cities” and said there was a “federal-homosexual
> cover-up” to suppress the impact of AIDS.
> Mr. Paul, who, beginning in 2008, has disavowed the articles and
> their ideas, now says that most of them were written by others and
> that he was unaware of their content. Even if that were the case,
> it suggests a stupendous level of negligence that should force a
> reconsideration by anyone considering entrusting him with the
> White House.
> When the newsletters first became an issue during his
> Congressional campaigns in the 1990s, however, he did not deny
> writing some of them
> <http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/12/26/fifteen_years_ago_ron_paul_wasn_t_claiming_somebody_else_wrote_his_newsletters.html>
> or knowing about them.
> Mr. Paul has never given a full and detailed accounting of who
> wrote the newsletters and what his role was in overseeing their
> publication. It’s especially important that he do so immediately.
> Those writings have certainly not been forgotten by white
> supremacist and militia groups that are promoting his candidacy in
> Iowa and in New Hampshire.
> The Times reported on Sunday
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html>
> that dozens of members of the white nationalist Web site
> Stormfront are volunteering for the Paul campaign, along with
> far-right militias, survivalists and anti-Zionist groups. Don
> Black, the Stormfront director, said his members were drawn to Mr.
> Paul by the newsletters and his positions against immigration and
> the Fed (run by Jews, Mr. Black said), even if Mr. Paul were not
> himself a white nationalist.
> Mr. Paul, saying he still hopes to “convert” these supporters to
> his views, has refused to disavow them or to chase them out of his
> campaign. If he does not do so, he will leave a lasting stain on
> his candidacy, on the libertarian movement and, very possibly, on
> the Iowa caucuses.
> _____________________________________
> Wayne A. Fox
> wayne.a.fox at gmail.com <mailto:wayne.a.fox at gmail.com>
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