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If he does what I think he'll do if he gets into office, he'll veto
anything that he finds to be unconstitutional. This will, at the
very least, help stop abuses like the Patriot Act and increases in
funding for DHS. Even if Congress can come up with enough votes to
override the veto, issues like this will suddenly be at the
forefront of the "national conversation" about what's going on in
government. For this alone, I'd like to see him get in there.<br>
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Paul<br>
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On 12/30/2011 09:29 AM, Art Deco wrote:
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<div><font face="Verdana">I agree with Rumelhart to the extent
that things in this country [and globally] are broken beyond
the traditional politicians' ways of repairing them. We need
bold, realistic, non-poll-driven leaders who can convince us
to re-evaluate our situation, offer feasible solutions, and to
convince us to make the inevitable selfless sacrifices
necessary.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">Though not traditional, I do not think
Ron Paul is one of those leaders.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">His view of the world and his positions
are too simplistic for the complex, diverse, globally
competitive world we live in. The latest revelations have
shown that his integrity does not rise above the minimum
standard. The simplicity of his views are his main attraction
to many, but reality is the barricade to his views ever
producing workable solutions -- they would be even more
disastrous than the messes we now face.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">In addition, some of his views are so
abhorrent and/or crackpotty that he would not be likely to
convince congress to implement them in the face of public
opinion.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">Having said that, I am unable to suggest
any leader or group of leaders that seem capable of fixing
things. The best I can hope for is that we elect the lesser
of the evils, at least by a little, to struggle on.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">I'm glad I'm old and not likely to live
too much longer. I don't not want to see the result of where
the world is heading and the foolishness of those in power
resisting what needs to be done to change that direction.</font></div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s
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<div dir="ltr">Why doesn't the NYT address Paul's stances on
foreign policy? On defense spending?<br>
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Sunil<br>
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I'm beginning to believe that Ron Paul is our only hope to
stop the downslope this country is on. For example, the
Transportation Security Administration just got an extra $7.85
billion in funding for 2012, including several hundred million
dollars of funding for whole body imagers. This passed both
the House and the Senate. Does anyone here actually believe
that terrorism is a personally actionable danger? Do you
change your behavior at all due to the threat? Do you think
all the security theater is worth the money?<br>
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Ron Paul is about the only guy out there that votes against
this kind of crap. Pretty much everybody else, (R) or (D),
votes it in. All they seem to argue about is who is getting
the pork.<br>
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As I see it, your choices are 1) the same old shit, but next
year having slipped even farther away from rationality or 2)
this one bat-shit crazy dude that might actually try to do
something about it.<br>
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One thing I've noticed this year is that Ron Paul is actually
getting press. There was a massive grassroots campaign for
him the last couple of elections, but nobody in the media
would take him seriously as an actual candidate.<br>
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The fact that they have started the smear campaign means that
there is actually a chance of getting him in office.<br>
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My advice? Don't vote for the person that looks like the most
responsible Dad, or the guy that looks like he's someone you
could have a beer with, or the one that looks like a he's a
successful lawyer. All of those guys are going to perpetuate
the power grab that has been going on for the last few
decades.<br>
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Vote for the dude that puts the fear of God into the others.
Vote for the one that will work to decrease their power, not
the others that only want to increase it for personal gain.<br>
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Sure, he's a bag of mixed nuts sometimes. But he's the only
one with half a chance to shake things up a bit.<br>
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This should be a fun election year.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<h1>Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign</h1>
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<div id="ecxarticleBody"><font face="Verdana" size="2">Ron
Paul long ago disqualified himself for the presidency
by peddling claptrap proposals like abolishing the
Federal Reserve, returning to the gold standard,
cutting a third of the federal budget and all foreign
aid and opposing the Civil Rights Act of 1964. </font><br>
<font face="Verdana" size="2">Now, making things worse,
he has failed to convincingly repudiate racist remarks
that were published under his name for years — or the
enthusiastic support he is getting from racist groups.
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<font face="Verdana" size="2">Mr. Paul, a Republican
congressman from Texas who is doing particularly well
in Iowa’s precaucus polls, published several
newsletters in the ’80s and ’90s with names like the
Ron Paul Survival Report and the Ron Paul Political
Report. The newsletters interspersed libertarian
political and investment commentary with racial
bigotry, anti-Semitism and far-right paranoia. </font><br>
<font face="Verdana" size="2">Among other offensive
statements, the newsletters said that <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="McClatchey report"
href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/22/v-print/133898/paul-walks-out-of-interview-over.html"
target="_blank">95 percent of Washington’s black
males were criminals</a>, and they described the
Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday as “Hate
Whitey Day.” One <a moz-do-not-send="true" title="PDF
of a newsletter"
href="http://www.tnr.com/sites/default/files/January1993.pdf"
target="_blank">1993 article</a> appeared under a
headline lamenting the country’s “disappearing white
majority.” Other articles suggested that the Mossad,
the Israeli intelligence service, was responsible for
the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, praised the
Louisiana racist David Duke and accused some gay men
with AIDS of <a moz-do-not-send="true" title="NYT
report"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html?ref=politics&pagewanted=all"
target="_blank">deliberately spreading the disease</a>,
“perhaps out of a pathological hatred.” </font><br>
<font face="Verdana" size="2">A <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="Reuters report"
href="http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE7BM03320111223"
target="_blank">direct-mail ad</a> for the
newsletters from around 1993 warned of a “coming race
war in our big cities” and said there was a
“federal-homosexual cover-up” to suppress the impact
of AIDS. </font><br>
<font face="Verdana" size="2">Mr. Paul, who, beginning
in 2008, has disavowed the articles and their ideas,
now says that most of them were written by others and
that he was unaware of their content. Even if that
were the case, it suggests a stupendous level of
negligence that should force a reconsideration by
anyone considering entrusting him with the White
House. </font><br>
<font face="Verdana" size="2">When the newsletters first
became an issue during his Congressional campaigns in
the 1990s, however, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="Slate
report"
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target="_blank">he did not deny writing some of them</a>
or knowing about them. </font><br>
<font face="Verdana" size="2">Mr. Paul has never given a
full and detailed accounting of who wrote the
newsletters and what his role was in overseeing their
publication. It’s especially important that he do so
immediately. Those writings have certainly not been
forgotten by white supremacist and militia groups that
are promoting his candidacy in Iowa and in New
Hampshire. </font><br>
<font face="Verdana" size="2">The Times <a
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href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html"
target="_blank">reported on Sunday</a> that dozens
of members of the white nationalist Web site
Stormfront are volunteering for the Paul campaign,
along with far-right militias, survivalists and
anti-Zionist groups. Don Black, the Stormfront
director, said his members were drawn to Mr. Paul by
the newsletters and his positions against immigration
and the Fed (run by Jews, Mr. Black said), even if Mr.
Paul were not himself a white nationalist. </font><br>
<font face="Verdana" size="2">Mr. Paul, saying he still
hopes to “convert” these supporters to his views, has
refused to disavow them or to chase them out of his
campaign. If he does not do so, he will leave a
lasting stain on his candidacy, on the libertarian
movement and, very possibly, on the Iowa caucuses. </font><br>
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