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    If he does what I think he'll do if he gets into office, he'll veto
    anything that he finds to be unconstitutional.  This will, at the
    very least, help stop abuses like the Patriot Act and increases in
    funding for DHS.  Even if Congress can come up with enough votes to
    override the veto, issues like this will suddenly be at the
    forefront of the "national conversation" about what's going on in
    government.  For this alone, I'd like to see him get in there.<br>
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    Paul<br>
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    On 12/30/2011 09:29 AM, Art Deco wrote:
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      <div><font face="Verdana">I agree with Rumelhart to the extent
          that things in this country [and globally] are broken beyond
          the traditional politicians' ways of repairing them.  We need
          bold, realistic, non-poll-driven leaders who can convince us
          to re-evaluate our situation, offer feasible solutions, and to
          convince us to make the inevitable selfless sacrifices
          necessary.</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Verdana">Though not traditional, I do not think
          Ron Paul is one of those leaders.</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Verdana">His view of the world and his positions
          are too simplistic for the complex, diverse, globally
          competitive world we live in.  The latest revelations have
          shown that his integrity does not rise above the minimum
          standard.  The simplicity of his views are his main attraction
          to many, but reality is the barricade to his views ever
          producing workable solutions -- they would be even more
          disastrous than the messes we now face.</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Verdana">In addition, some of his views are so
          abhorrent and/or crackpotty that he would not be likely to
          convince congress to implement them in the face of public
          opinion.</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Verdana">Having said that, I am unable to suggest
          any leader or group of leaders that seem capable of fixing
          things.  The best I can hope for is that we elect the lesser
          of the evils, at least by a little, to struggle on.</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Verdana">I'm glad I'm old and not likely to live
          too much longer.  I don't not want to see the result of where
          the world is heading and the foolishness of those in power
          resisting what needs to be done to change that direction.</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Verdana">w.</font></div>
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          <div style=""><b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</a>
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          <div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 30, 2011 7:54 AM</div>
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          <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s
            Discredited Campaign</div>
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      <div dir="ltr">Why doesn't the NYT address Paul's stances on
        foreign policy? On defense spending?<br>
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        Sunil<br>
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          Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:38:24 -0800<br>
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            href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
          To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</a><br>
          CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
          Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign<br>
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          I'm beginning to believe that Ron Paul is our only hope to
          stop the downslope this country is on.  For example, the
          Transportation Security Administration just got an extra $7.85
          billion in funding for 2012, including several hundred million
          dollars of funding for whole body imagers.  This passed both
          the House and the Senate.  Does anyone here actually believe
          that terrorism is a personally actionable danger?  Do you
          change your behavior at all due to the threat?  Do you think
          all the security theater is worth the money?<br>
          <br>
          Ron Paul is about the only guy out there that votes against
          this kind of crap.  Pretty much everybody else, (R) or (D),
          votes it in.  All they seem to argue about is who is getting
          the pork.<br>
          <br>
          As I see it, your choices are 1) the same old shit, but next
          year having slipped even farther away from rationality or 2)
          this one bat-shit crazy dude that might actually try to do
          something about it.<br>
          <br>
          One thing I've noticed this year is that Ron Paul is actually
          getting press.  There was a massive grassroots campaign for
          him the last couple of elections, but nobody in the media
          would take him seriously as an actual candidate.<br>
          <br>
          The fact that they have started the smear campaign means that
          there is actually a chance of getting him in office.<br>
          <br>
          My advice?  Don't vote for the person that looks like the most
          responsible Dad, or the guy that looks like he's someone you
          could have a beer with, or the one that looks like a he's a
          successful lawyer.  All of those guys are going to perpetuate
          the power grab that has been going on for the last few
          decades.<br>
          <br>
          Vote for the dude that puts the fear of God into the others. 
          Vote for the one that will work to decrease their power, not
          the others that only want to increase it for personal gain.<br>
          <br>
          Sure, he's a bag of mixed nuts sometimes.  But he's the only
          one with half a chance to shake things up a bit.<br>
          <br>
          This should be a fun election year.<br>
          <br>
          Paul<br>
          <br>
          On 12/28/2011 11:35 AM, Art Deco wrote:
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                <div class="ecxtimestamp">December 27, 2011</div>
                <h1>Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign</h1>
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              <div id="ecxarticleBody"><font face="Verdana" size="2">Ron
                  Paul long ago disqualified himself for the presidency
                  by peddling claptrap proposals like abolishing the
                  Federal Reserve, returning to the gold standard,
                  cutting a third of the federal budget and all foreign
                  aid and opposing the Civil Rights Act of 1964. </font><br>
                <font face="Verdana" size="2">Now, making things worse,
                  he has failed to convincingly repudiate racist remarks
                  that were published under his name for years — or the
                  enthusiastic support he is getting from racist groups.
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                <font face="Verdana" size="2">Mr. Paul, a Republican
                  congressman from Texas who is doing particularly well
                  in Iowa’s precaucus polls, published several
                  newsletters in the ’80s and ’90s with names like the
                  Ron Paul Survival Report and the Ron Paul Political
                  Report. The newsletters interspersed libertarian
                  political and investment commentary with racial
                  bigotry, anti-Semitism and far-right paranoia. </font><br>
                <font face="Verdana" size="2">Among other offensive
                  statements, the newsletters said that <a
                    moz-do-not-send="true" title="McClatchey report"
href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/22/v-print/133898/paul-walks-out-of-interview-over.html"
                    target="_blank">95 percent of Washington’s black
                    males were criminals</a>, and they described the
                  Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday as “Hate
                  Whitey Day.” One <a moz-do-not-send="true" title="PDF
                    of a newsletter"
                    href="http://www.tnr.com/sites/default/files/January1993.pdf"
                    target="_blank">1993 article</a> appeared under a
                  headline lamenting the country’s “disappearing white
                  majority.” Other articles suggested that the Mossad,
                  the Israeli intelligence service, was responsible for
                  the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, praised the
                  Louisiana racist David Duke and accused some gay men
                  with AIDS of <a moz-do-not-send="true" title="NYT
                    report"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html?ref=politics&pagewanted=all"
                    target="_blank">deliberately spreading the disease</a>,
                  “perhaps out of a pathological hatred.” </font><br>
                <font face="Verdana" size="2">A <a
                    moz-do-not-send="true" title="Reuters report"
                    href="http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE7BM03320111223"
                    target="_blank">direct-mail ad</a> for the
                  newsletters from around 1993 warned of a “coming race
                  war in our big cities” and said there was a
                  “federal-homosexual cover-up” to suppress the impact
                  of AIDS. </font><br>
                <font face="Verdana" size="2">Mr. Paul, who, beginning
                  in 2008, has disavowed the articles and their ideas,
                  now says that most of them were written by others and
                  that he was unaware of their content. Even if that
                  were the case, it suggests a stupendous level of
                  negligence that should force a reconsideration by
                  anyone considering entrusting him with the White
                  House. </font><br>
                <font face="Verdana" size="2">When the newsletters first
                  became an issue during his Congressional campaigns in
                  the 1990s, however, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    title="Slate
 report"
href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/12/26/fifteen_years_ago_ron_paul_wasn_t_claiming_somebody_else_wrote_his_newsletters.html"
                    target="_blank">he did not deny writing some of them</a>
                  or knowing about them. </font><br>
                <font face="Verdana" size="2">Mr. Paul has never given a
                  full and detailed accounting of who wrote the
                  newsletters and what his role was in overseeing their
                  publication. It’s especially important that he do so
                  immediately. Those writings have certainly not been
                  forgotten by white supremacist and militia groups that
                  are promoting his candidacy in Iowa and in New
                  Hampshire. </font><br>
                <font face="Verdana" size="2">The Times <a
                    moz-do-not-send="true" title="NYT report"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html"
                    target="_blank">reported on Sunday</a> that dozens
                  of members of the white nationalist Web site
                  Stormfront are volunteering for the Paul campaign,
                  along with far-right militias, survivalists and
                  anti-Zionist groups. Don Black, the Stormfront
                  director, said his members were drawn to Mr. Paul by
                  the newsletters and his positions against immigration
                  and the Fed (run by Jews, Mr. Black said), even if Mr.
                  Paul were not himself a white nationalist. </font><br>
                <font face="Verdana" size="2">Mr. Paul, saying he still
                  hopes to “convert” these supporters to his views, has
                  refused to disavow them or to chase them out of his
                  campaign. If he does not do so, he will leave a
                  lasting stain on his candidacy, on the libertarian
                  movement and, very possibly, on the Iowa caucuses. </font><br>
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            <div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Wayne A. Fox<br>
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